2016-17 NHL Season Thread

[Commandant]

The play in question. 

 

https://streamable.com/c10z7

[xXx..CK..xXx]

I'm sorry to say but it's obvious he embellished there. He got hit in the back of the head and covers his face. Whether it's a penalty or not on Subban is another question. Some refs wouldn't call it.

[Commandant]

16 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:

I'm sorry to say but it's obvious he embellished there. He got hit in the back of the head and covers his face. Whether it's a penalty or not on Subban is another question. Some refs wouldn't call it.

 

Watch it again.  Edmundson's knee hits him in the face as he's falling down (not intentional by Edmundson, but you can see why PK covers his face). 

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

As a general rule, I hate the notion that refs make calls based on personal judgements about the players involved. Gallagher and Alex Burrows, for instance, are marked men. Subban to a lesser degree. By contrast, Weber can get away with all sorts of stuff that would be called against other players, which certainly works to the Habs' advantage, but is stupid in principle. Either refs are just biased mediocrities, or it must be incredibly hard to make calls based on what actually happens on the ice rather than on the basis of personal preferences about who is a 'good guy.'

[Machine of Loving Grace]

Referees are given tons of notes by the NHL before each game on what to call and what not to call and who to watch for and when. The last time the referees were allowed to call the game was 05-06 and they put an end to that because coaches complained about too many penalties.

[Trizzak]

 

Shipachyov signs in Vegas for 2 years, $4.5 million per year.

[Commandant]

Seriously. 

 

2 years, 9 million. 

 

We couldn't do better than that.  

 

Really Bergevin?  Really?

FOR #### SAKES.

[BCHabnut]

11 minutes ago, Commandant said:

Seriously. 

 

2 years, 9 million. 

 

We couldn't do better than that.  

 

Really Bergevin?  Really?

FOR #### SAKES.

For sure. If he chose not to go to the habs because MB wasn't willing to pay that, then bad on his part. 

[habs rule]

13 minutes ago, Commandant said:

Seriously. 

 

2 years, 9 million. 

 

We couldn't do better than that.  

 

Really Bergevin?  Really?

FOR #### SAKES.

well we don't know how negotiations went. we heard earlier he did not want to come to the habs, so who knows.

[Commandant]

1 hour ago, habs rule said:

well we don't know how negotiations went. we heard earlier he did not want to come to the habs, so who knows.

 

1 hour ago, habs rule said:

well we don't know how negotiations went. we heard earlier he did not want to come to the habs, so who knows.

 

If he took 2years 9 million.

Offer him 3 years and 15. 

you make him an offer he can't refuse. 

 

If he still doesn't come fine, but I want to hear that the Habs had a MUCH better deal on the table, cause that honestly was not that much. 

[BCHabnut]

22 minutes ago, Commandant said:

 

 

If he took 2years 9 million.

Offer him 3 years and 15. 

you make him an offer he can't refuse. 

 

If he still doesn't come fine, but I want to hear that the Habs had a MUCH better deal on the table, cause that honestly was not that much. 

Totally agree. Would probably need to be 3 years at 17 with our taxes though. 

[HabsWEST]

On other NHL news:

 

http://www.tsn.ca/talent/p-k-has-helped-push-the-preds-to-new-heights-1.742579

 

 

Hmmmm..debated whether to put this post on here or " Fire Bergevin thread" 

 

".....Subban takes the skating and distribution game to another level. This postseason, just about every regular forward he plays with is seeing significant upticks in his performance metrics. This has been a consistent theme throughout Subban’s career (and is generally true for most high-end first-pairing guys) – regular teammates, be it forwards or defenders, benefit from playing with this type of talent...."

 

As evidence is now coming forward.

 

HABS get slower on Defence as they trade PK..and Nashville gets faster.

 

 

MB is " old school" ..new world of NHL hockey..size doesn't matter is the player with size is slow and not skilled ..

 

But Size does matter if there is skill, speed and size ( GETZLAFF)

 

Now if Nashville wins the CUP.. And PK is the conn smythe winner.. 

 

This post gets moved to " Fire Bergevin thread "

 

Point here is not the trade, but how successful teams are built.. 

 

1. Young and fast

2. Full forward transition

 

The winning team this year will have that.

 

Unfortunately,  we are to far away from that reality.

 

Where other teams promote their young players..we keep them in the AHL ..

 

OR worse yet Trade them..( fear the worst that MB will trade Galchenyuk ..for another 30 something past his prime player..)

 

 

MB is failing that he reacts.. Instead of being proactive. Weber would be an excellent trade ..if that was the missing piece to take team over top. I said that at the trade time.

 

But on this team, NOPE..as there are too many other missing pieces.

 

Instead he brings OTT and company..ols players from another generation and brand of Hockey.

 

the final 4 this year..will have YOUTH, SPEED, TRANSITION..with GOOD goaltending.

 

Great goaltending with lack of the other elements will not cut it anymore.

 

Habs are a long way from Final 4.

 

Competitive and top third of league yes. Win a round or 2 yes. Top 8 yes.

 

Top 4 ..no

 

 

 

 

 

[HabsWEST]

....continued..

 

 

As you continue reading the article..few things start showing up, nor by coincidence , that was one of shortcomings of HABS.

 

don't get me wrong, Weber is an excellent player.. But for this team at this moment and going forward, we all know the trade doesn't work for the Habs, they way at least the team is structured...

 

"......The interesting thing to note is that Subban doesn’t seem reliant on playing with any one individual forward. If you follow the red bars – the numbers that indicate Subban’s performance away from a given forward – you’ll notice that they are incredibly close to around 55 per cent of the shot share, which is dominant...." By TSN Yost

[Machine of Loving Grace]

7 hours ago, Commandant said:

 

 

If he took 2years 9 million.

Offer him 3 years and 15. 

you make him an offer he can't refuse. 

 

If he still doesn't come fine, but I want to hear that the Habs had a MUCH better deal on the table, cause that honestly was not that much. 

Yeah word is Bergevin hasn't really talked to him. But also Ship was never that interested in coming to Montreal. So he wasn't interested and Bergevin never made an offer to change his mind.

 

Smart to sign in Vegas. Low pressure, likely becomes a top three scorer. He will get even more money on his next contract.

[Machine of Loving Grace]

To add, do you really think Bergevin would have tabled a three year deal for a Russian? He talked Radulov down into one year and he had NHL experience. If Bergevin offered anything it was for one year and with no top six guarantee I'm sure Ship was like no thanks.

[illWill]

9 hours ago, habs rule said:

well we don't know how negotiations went. we heard earlier he did not want to come to the habs, so who knows.

 

No but let's flip out anyway because he didn't sign him. It's almost as if it's not always the biggest offer that gets the player

[Commandant]

36 minutes ago, Machine of Loving Grace said:

To add, do you really think Bergevin would have tabled a three year deal for a Russian? He talked Radulov down into one year and he had NHL experience. If Bergevin offered anything it was for one year and with no top six guarantee I'm sure Ship was like no thanks.

 

If Bergevin can't get the job done, can his ass. 

 

All the arguments are what Bergevin wasn't willing to do. Which means its on Bergevin. 

[Commandant]

12 minutes ago, illWill said:

 

No but let's flip out anyway because he didn't sign him. It's almost as if it's not always the biggest offer that gets the player

 

"Shipachyov is mulling big offers, Bergevin is looking elsewhere" - Engels. 

 

That reads an awful lot like Bergevin doesn't wish to top the big offers that were on the table. 

 

You give him a million extra per year, and a 3rd year on the deal, and you don't think that at least has him "mulling" your offer???

[DON]

10 hours ago, BCHabnut said:

For sure. If he chose not to go to the habs because MB wasn't willing to pay that, then bad on his part. 

Yes, just because he said he wouldn't sign with Habs, Bergevin is still an idiot and should of tossed $5 or 6m/yr at him!

[DON]

5 minutes ago, Commandant said:

 

If Bergevin can't get the job done, can his ass. 

 

All the arguments are what Bergevin wasn't willing to do. Which means its on Bergevin. 

Yaaa! fire him, Pierre McGuire or Julien Brisbois would of got him signed! Butternuts Bergevin!

[Commandant]

By all reports, Bergevin didn't even try.  Wasn't even playing the same game. 

[BCHabnut]

21 minutes ago, DON said:

Yes, just because he said he wouldn't sign with Habs, Bergevin is still an idiot and should of tossed $5 or 6m/yr at him!

You're right. The 4.2 mill for a third line Centre for 6 years makes way more sense. 5 mill for 3 years would have been a worthwhile attempt. No players development. No upgrades via trade due to lack of quality depth means you have to sign free agents. 

[DON]

11 minutes ago, BCHabnut said:

You're right. The 4.2 mill for a third line Centre for 6 years makes way more sense. 5 mill for 3 years would have been a worthwhile attempt. No players development. No upgrades via trade due to lack of quality depth means you have to sign free agents. 

Hey Bergy !

[Machine of Loving Grace]

Let's not forget the real issue.

 

The issue isn't that he isn't convincing a Russian centre to come to Montreal.

 

The issue is that he's entering year six in his tenure, has yet to fix the top six centre issue, and has allowed two coaches to mishandle the one top six centre they had on the roster.

 

If he went hard after Ship it would at least sound like he's trying. 

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

8 hours ago, HabsWEST said:

....continued..

 

 

As you continue reading the article..few things start showing up, nor by coincidence , that was one of shortcomings of HABS.

 

don't get me wrong, Weber is an excellent player.. But for this team at this moment and going forward, we all know the trade doesn't work for the Habs, they way at least the team is structured...

 

"......The interesting thing to note is that Subban doesn’t seem reliant on playing with any one individual forward. If you follow the red bars – the numbers that indicate Subban’s performance away from a given forward – you’ll notice that they are incredibly close to around 55 per cent of the shot share, which is dominant...." By TSN Yost

 

Subban is an awesome player. This is not news. And as he has matured he has become more focused on playing a controlling, complete, masterful game. Even if Weber is, overall, as good as PK, the age difference makes the trade a win for the Preds (who seem to be doing just fine without Weber's superhuman 'leadership' - wait  how can that be???). The trade was a pointless lateral move made to please a coach who should have been fired at the end of 2016 instead of a few months later, by a plodding GM who misidentified his team's central weakness. As Trump would say: SAD.