GHT120 Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 19 minutes ago, tomh009 said: Better yet, Carolina is paying him almost $5M/year on a long-term contract for that role. I've read talk that they may consider buying him out this June ... because of his age it would only be 1/3 over twice the term ... so $835K over twelve years, with the 4/5/6th years only $455K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Islanders are going the wrong way in Patrick Roy’s first month - The Athletic Oh well, maybe not meant to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted February 15 Author Share Posted February 15 Why David Poile regrets his biggest Predators trade: Shea Weber for PK Subban https://t.co/sqg07oAhlX — Tennessean (@Tennessean) February 8, 2024 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 8 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: Ha! Note that Poile does not express regret in HOCKEY terms…he expresses it on a human level. Weber was a defining player for that franchise who was traded while he still had some good year left. 😉 I was absolutely appalled with the trade at the time. Turns out, it worked out for both teams, like a trade is supposed to. Subban aged out early, which mitigated a major advantage over Old Man Weber, while Weber - the very worst contract in all of hockey - suffered career-ending injuries before the contract could become a millstone. (This was a horrible turn of events at a human level, but a stroke of luck from a cap-management perspective). The result was that both players (a) were integral to Cup runs on their teams and (b) stayed on their teams for roughly the same number of years. In hockey terms, basically a wash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 14 hours ago, DON said: Islanders are going the wrong way in Patrick Roy’s first month - The Athletic Oh well, maybe not meant to be. It's just not that good of a roster. Maybe now Lamoriello will come to that realization, one that just about everyone else has had for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Just checking KK's stats. I think he had 12 points after the first 12 games, now he has 18 points in 52 games. Doing some simple math that's 6 points in his last 40 games. It almost brings a tear to my eye. Now if only we had kept the picks instead of trading for Dvorak. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 19 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Just checking KK's stats. I think he had 12 points after the first 12 games, now he has 18 points in 52 games. Doing some simple math that's 6 points in his last 40 games. It almost brings a tear to my eye. Now if only we had kept the picks instead of trading for Dvorak. He may well get bought out this offseason ... because of his age it would only be 1/3 the remaining contract over twice the term (rather than the usual 2/3 over twice the term) ... $835K for 12 years, saving almost $4M per year over the remaining 6 years of his contract ... it will be interesting to see which team makes him the best offer (be it in terms of $$, term or opportunity to "rehabilitate" his reputation), because more than one will take the chance ... if by some miracle Hughes can rid himself of Dvorak I would not be opposed to the Habs entering that mix for one year, despite what went down between him and Bergevin, and between Bergevin and Dundon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 4 minutes ago, GHT120 said: Expect he may well get bought out this offseason ... because of his age it would only be 1/3 the remaining contract over twice the term (rather than the usual 2/3 over twice the term) ... it will be interesting to see which team makes him the best offer (be it in terms of $$, term or opportunity to "rehabilitate" his reputation), because more than one will take the chance ... if by some miracle Hughes can rid himself of Dvorak I would not be opposed to the Habs entering that mix for one year, despite what went down between him and Bergevin and Bergevin and Dundon. You understand the buyout process better than I do. So he has 6 years left at 4.8M/year. Does that mean Carolina would have to payout 1.6M/year over 12 years? If correct that seems like a long long time to be stuck with it. Probably better they rehabilitate him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 1 hour ago, GHT120 said: He may well get bought out this offseason ... because of his age it would only be 1/3 the remaining contract over twice the term (rather than the usual 2/3 over twice the term) ... $835K for 12 years, saving almost $4M per year over the remaining 6 years of his contract ... it will be interesting to see which team makes him the best offer (be it in terms of $$, term or opportunity to "rehabilitate" his reputation), because more than one will take the chance ... if by some miracle Hughes can rid himself of Dvorak I would not be opposed to the Habs entering that mix for one year, despite what went down between him and Bergevin and Bergevin and Dundon. I'd welcome him back as a bottom-6 option. The problem is, KK is a kid who has always had things handed to him underserved: fat contract from Carolina, brought into the NHL at 19 without having earned it, etc. And I suspect this will continue...some team will give him a higher salary point than he deserves, based on "potential" and draft pedigree. And I assume that team won't be us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted February 16 Author Share Posted February 16 He signed that contract and F-Ued Montreal. He thought he deserved that much more. I do not want any part of that entitled piece of crisp-bread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 5 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: He signed that contract and F-Ued Montreal. He thought he deserved that much more. I do not want any part of that entitled piece of crisp-bread Think he F-Ued Marc Bergevin more than Montreal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 1 hour ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: The problem is, KK is a kid who has always had things handed to him underserved: fat contract from Carolina, brought into the NHL at 19 without having earned it, etc. I do agree. Although getting bought out might give him a jolt. Maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: You understand the buyout process better than I do. So he has 6 years left at 4.8M/year. Does that mean Carolina would have to payout 1.6M/year over 12 years? If correct that seems like a long long time to be stuck with it. Probably better they rehabilitate him. 1 hour ago, GHT120 said: He may well get bought out this offseason ... because of his age it would only be 1/3 the remaining contract over twice the term (rather than the usual 2/3 over twice the term) ... $835K for 12 years, saving almost $4M per year over the remaining 6 years of his contract ... it will be interesting to see which team makes him the best offer (be it in terms of $$, term or opportunity to "rehabilitate" his reputation), because more than one will take the chance ... if by some miracle Hughes can rid himself of Dvorak I would not be opposed to the Habs entering that mix for one year, despite what went down between him and Bergevin, and between Bergevin and Dundon. Thanks for adding the additional clarification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 24 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: He signed that contract and F-Ued Montreal. He thought he deserved that much more. I do not want any part of that entitled piece of crisp-bread I don't disagree, the KK ship has sailed, time to move on. Mistake #1 was keeping an immature 18 year old with the big team. That's Montreal's fault. I thought they might make the same mistake with Slaf but there are different maturity levels involved. When Slaf was 15 he was living away from home and cooking for himself, hardly entitled or spoiled. On the other hand KK was playing for his dad when he was drafted. Slaf is just more mature and stronger mentally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 I see him getting a 1 year deal at like 1-1.5 million if bought out. He took the money. Really i dont blame him at all for that, pro athletes have a limited time frame to get paid and he took his chance. I blame Dundon and Waddell but not KK on that. Looks good on them that its blown up in their faces while the guy they let go to make room (Trochek) has done much better than KK. Would i take him back, its unlikely to be an option, and hes not my first choice for how to build centre depth. I just dont see where he fits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 32 minutes ago, Commandant said: ... I blame Dundon and Waddell but not KK on that ... I would throw Bergevin in the mix as well ... making an easily matched offer sheet at Aho was a risky move ... and I have to expect that Dundon had a reputation for having a temper and holding a grudge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, Commandant said: I see him getting a 1 year deal at like 1-1.5 million if bought out. He took the money. Really i dont blame him at all for that, pro athletes have a limited time frame to get paid and he took his chance. I blame Dundon and Waddell but not KK on that. Looks good on them that its blown up in their faces while the guy they let go to make room (Trochek) has done much better than KK. Would i take him back, its unlikely to be an option, and hes not my first choice for how to build centre depth. I just dont see where he fits. I don’t blame KK for taking the money either. I’m happy to see him bomb out mostly because: first, ّI don’t want yet another former Habs prospect flourishing elsewhere while we’re left standing there with our collective dick in our hands; second, Carolina acted like a-holes for the offer sheet and subsequent taunting, so I am delighted it has blown up in their faces; and third, like I said before, KK never earned a thing (which bugs me, on principle). As for fit, I assume he’s an upgrade on some of the garbage we have in the bottom six, although it’s not, I admit, clear that he is better than our existing C options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: I don’t blame KK for taking the money either. I’m happy to see him bomb out mostly because: first, ّI don’t want yet another former Habs prospect flourishing elsewhere while we’re left standing there with our collective dick in our hands; second, Carolina acted like a-holes for the offer sheet and subsequent taunting, so I am delighted it has blown up in their faces; and third, like I said before, KK never earned a thing (which bugs me, on principle). As for fit, I assume he’s an upgrade on some of the garbage we have in the bottom six, although it’s not, I admit, clear that he is better than our existing C options. Which is why my "condition" was that Dvorak is traded ... then KK could be worth a peek as a 3C. There are only 7 players left from the last Habs' team he played on, including Allen who hopefully will be moved by next season and Caufield who played all of 10 games in 20/21 ... new management, new team-mates, rebuilding team on which he wouldn't be expected to make a mahor contribution and perhaps(?) most importantly a player-friendly/supportive coach ... all that might make Montreal an interesting option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted February 20 Author Share Posted February 20 I miss him already Sean Monahan is very excited after that opening period 🙂@DanRTSN | #GoJetsGo pic.twitter.com/iYnbpxkIix — Winnipeg Jets (@NHLJets) February 19, 2024 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 2 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: I miss him already Yup, that's about as excited as Monahan gets. Glad to see him get a hat trick but not upset about Winnipeg losing. It would be nice if that pick was in the 20-25 range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted February 29 Author Share Posted February 29 I agree With this John Davidson says he is seeking a GM with plenty of experience. He need not look any further than his own staff. Trevor Timmins is more than qualified to get an opportunity given his breadth of experience. I think he should be seriously considered: pic.twitter.com/mIzOIvhLfa — Grant McCagg (@grantmccagg) February 29, 2024 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 33 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: I agree With this Plenty of NHL management experience ... but ZERO experience as a GM ... pretty much ANY candidate for an NHL GM job has lots of "management" experience, so I tend to see Davidson as looking for someone who also has experience as a GM ... my *****GUESS***** is still Gorton ... but even if Molson agrees to release him from his contract, I doubt that would ever happen until after the draft, maybe even until mid-July when the early stages of free agency are done ... unless, Davidson is willing to trade their first-rounder (or a TOP youngster/prospect) as part of a deal to get Molson to release Gorton ... not very likely ... unless, having lost confidence in Kekalainen they also don't have confidence in the scouting team he assembled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalhabs Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 Hope they hire Bergevin. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 17 hours ago, Dalhabs said: Hope they hire Bergevin. What do you have against poor Columbus?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 1 hour ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: What do you have against poor Columbus?? Unless MB takes at least one of his bad contracts of our hands - Gallagher, Armia or Anderson, I hope that SOB never gets another GM job again - ditto for Therrien! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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