GHT120 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 24 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: ... Ive compared him to Danault because I think that is what he becomes and that certainly isn’t a bust But neither would that be a great result for a third overall pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 minute ago, GHT120 said: But neither would that be a great result for a third overall pick. He's already shown more ability on the PP than Danault, so maybe add ten points to his total A perennial 60 point centre who has the defensive chops to play against top lines is fine for the 3rd overall pick. Players like Draisatl at third overall are rare. Heiskanen Dubois Dylan Strome Draisatl Drouin Galchenyuk Huberdeau Gudbranson Duchene Bogosian Here are the 10 players drafted 3rd overall before KK. There are only 3 players out of that 10 who I would rather have than a perennial 60 point centre with danault-level defence (if that is what KK becomes). I think he can be better than that, but I'm just going to use the Danault comparison. The only players I'd rather have than a bigger Danault with 60 point potential..... Heiskanen, Draisaitl and Huberdeau. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Commandant said: He's already shown more ability on the PP than Danault, so maybe add ten points to his total A perennial 60 point centre who has the defensive chops to play against top lines is fine for the 3rd overall pick. Players like Draisatl at third overall are rare. Heiskanen Dubois Dylan Strome Draisatl Drouin Galchenyuk Huberdeau Gudbranson Duchene Bogosian Here are the 10 players drafted 3rd overall before KK. There are only 3 players out of that 10 who I would rather have than a perennial 60 point centre with danault-level defence (if that is what KK becomes). I think he can be better than that, but I'm just going to use the Danault comparison. The only players I'd rather have than a bigger Danault with 60 point potential..... Heiskanen, Draisaitl and Huberdeau. Look at that list! If that is indeed the measuring stick then KK is doing just fine. I get the sentiment that he is a bust cause he doesn’t look close to a #1 centre. Perhaps he becomes one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Commandant said: ...Players like Draisatl at third overall are rare. Heiskanen Dubois Dylan Strome Draisatl Drouin Galchenyuk Huberdeau Gudbranson Duchene Bogosian Here are the 10 players drafted 3rd overall before KK. There are only 3 players out of that 10 who I would rather have than a perennial 60 point centre with danault-level defence (if that is what KK becomes) ... The only players I'd rather have than a bigger Danault with 60 point potential..... Heiskanen, Draisaitl and Huberdeau. But top 10 picks available when the #3 was taken those years include: Heiskanen - 4th Makar, 5th Pettersson Dubois - 6th Matthew Tkachuk Dylan Strome - 4th Marner, 7th Provorov, 9th Timo Meir, 10th Mikko Rantanen Draisatl - 8th Nylander, 9th Ehlers Drouin - 4th Seth Jones, 5th Lindholm, 6th Monohan, 9th Horvat Galchenyuk - 5th Morgan Reilly, 6th Hampus Lindholm, 7th Matt Dumba, 9th Jacob trouba Huberdeau - 6th Mika Zibanejad, 7th Mark Scheifele, 8th Sean Couturier, 9th Dougie Hamilton Gudbranson - 7th Jeff Skinner Duchene - 6th Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Bogosian - 4th Pietrangelo The only draft in those 10 years without a player I would prefer over a possible perennial 60 point centre with danault-level defence was 2010 (not a fan of Skinner) ... But all that said, only the next 2-4 years will truly tell the tale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, GHT120 said: But top 10 picks available when the #3 was taken those years include: Heiskanen - 4th Makar, 5th Pettersson Dubois - 6th Matthew Tkachuk Dylan Strome - 4th Marner, 7th Provorov, 9th Timo Meir, 10th Mikko Rantanen Draisatl - 8th Nylander, 9th Ehlers Drouin - 4th Seth Jones, 5th Lindholm, 6th Monohan, 9th Horvat Galchenyuk - 5th Morgan Reilly, 6th Hampus Lindholm, 7th Matt Dumba, 9th Jacob trouba Huberdeau - 6th Mika Zibanejad, 7th Mark Scheifele, 8th Sean Couturier, 9th Dougie Hamilton Gudbranson - 7th Jeff Skinner Duchene - 6th Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Bogosian - 4th Pietrangelo The only draft in those 10 years without a player I would prefer over a possible perennial 60 point centre with danault-level defence was 2010 (not a fan of Skinner) ... But all that said, only the next 2-4 years will tell the tale A number of organizations failed at finding the best player remaining in the draft with the third pick. Its not easy. If you are going to expect your scouts to always find the best player, with no misses in the players it won't happen. No scouting staff hits this perfectly. If you got a 60 point guy with selke D, you should be happy with that pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Commandant said: A number of organizations failed at finding the best player remaining in the draft with the third pick. Its not easy. If you are going to expect your scouts to always find the best player, with no misses in the players it won't happen. No scouting staff hits this perfectly. If you got a 60 point guy with selke D, you should be happy with that pick. IF they did, in that draft, I would be OK ... but not confident that they did ... and that KK was a first-rising, "late-bloomer" on draft boards IMO demonstrates the risk the Habs took ... but, time will tell ... I will be happy to be wrong because it would be good for the team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 minute ago, GHT120 said: IF they did, in that draft, I would be OK ... but not confident that they did ... and that KK was a first-rising, "late-bloomer" on draft boards IMO demonstrates the risk the Habs took ... but, time will tell ... I will be happy to be wrong because it would be good for the team Sure, look at couturier and how long it took him to blossom into that guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronthab Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 11 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: I am not as severe with my take on KK, but I base it on @The Chicoutimi Cucumber ‘s wise opinion of not to put too much hopes on the shoulders of a rookie unless they are a star. I agree with you that KKs performance up to now is disappointing. He has lost his spot on the lineup to Stall !!! Of all people But I still have hopes that he will be as good or better that Danault and Plekanec in their best years His career has Stalled? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Big win. Price with the big save when needed. I wanted KK over Byron, but he made a hell of a play in that SH goal. I think The Tavares injury was an extremely unfortunate incident. What I don’t get is why the hell dies Perry need to be forced to fight in that situation for a totally accidental incident. Don’t see how he could have avoided that collision in any way. This is a perfect example of just how stupid the “code” is. I was watching the game with my son and it was sickening hearing him the TSN announcers, it was The Leafs this, the leafs that, and I just loved how subdued their tone was when the Leafs got behind. Lastly, even though we won, I think we should not sit on the winning lineup. I’d put Caufield in for a Stall. The leafs old men Thornton and Spezza showed their age and their lack of speed hurt them. I’d add the additional offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Kk will play Saturday, I would say. Staal played great in the 1st. He earned another game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 7 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said: ... I think The Tavares injury was an extremely unfortunate incident. What I don’t get is why the hell dies Perry need to be forced to fight in that situation for a totally accidental incident. Don’t see how he could have avoided that collision in any way. This is a perfect example of just how stupid the “code” is ... It is the same @#$%^& mindset that now after a 100% perfectly clean hit the hitee's team immediately goes after the hitter ... to his credit, at least (IMO) Foligno did it in a pro forma sort of way ... got it out of the way so a more looney tunes Leaf didn't try for revenge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 I was curious how leaf fans interpreted the game so I had a look at HF leaf board. If you are having a bad day, I suggest that you head on over and warm your heart on their collective rage and tears. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 10 hours ago, BCHabnut said: Kk will play Saturday, I would say. Staal played great in the 1st. He earned another game. Who do you subtract for KK? Evans? I must say, we did not miss Kotkaniemi at all. I am more interested in inserting Caufield, who could make a difference on the PP. You’d have to manage him carefully, though. The Habs are playing a tight, grinding style, and if he gets a bad matchup that could undermine our efforts to contain them in our zone. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 42 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: I was curious how leaf fans interpreted the game so I had a look at HF leaf board. If you are having a bad day, I suggest that you head on over and warm your heart on their collective rage and tears. I had a look at the boards, the Leaf fans are obviously disappointed just like we would be if the same thing happened to the Habs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I had a look at the boards, the Leaf fans are obviously disappointed just like we would be if the same thing happened to the Habs. If you’re talking about the Injury, the equivalent thing has happened to the Habs, as Habs29 and I document in another thread. In fact it has happened to us. Many, many times. Over and over. We all want JT to make a full recovery. But the Leafs have zilch to complain about from the Hockey Gods compared to the Habs in this century. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 11 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: If you’re talking about the Injury, the equivalent thing has happened to the Habs, as Habs29 and I document in another thread. In fact it has happened to us. Many, many times. Over and over. We all want JT to make a full recovery. But the Leafs have zilch to complain about from the Hockey Gods compared to the Habs in this century. No question, the Habs have been victim to many of these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbhatt Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 49 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Who do you subtract for KK? Evans? I must say, we did not miss Kotkaniemi at all. I am more interested in inserting Caufield, who could make a difference on the PP. You’d have to manage him carefully, though. The Habs are playing a tight, grinding style, and if he gets a bad matchup that could undermine our efforts to contain them in our zone. I concur. KK adds little to nothing. Caufield however is worth dressing, even if you only intend to use him on what was a god-awful powerplay in game 1, in an attempt to resurrect it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 We need a centre with Evans out and Byron is a poor choice at this level. Play KK and if he looks like the guy from last year’s playoffs then sit Staal (he was great for one period), when Evans returns. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 1 hour ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Who do you subtract for KK? Evans? I must say, we did not miss Kotkaniemi at all. I am more interested in inserting Caufield, who could make a difference on the PP. You’d have to manage him carefully, though. The Habs are playing a tight, grinding style, and if he gets a bad matchup that could undermine our efforts to contain them in our zone. I am assuming Evans will not be ready because he is day to day. If he is ready, you must play Evans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 2 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Who do you subtract for KK? Evans? I must say, we did not miss Kotkaniemi at all. I am more interested in inserting Caufield, who could make a difference on the PP. You’d have to manage him carefully, though. The Habs are playing a tight, grinding style, and if he gets a bad matchup that could undermine our efforts to contain them in our zone. Evans appears to be hurt and out for game 2, so its an easy choice. KK taking Armia's spot on the PP in today's PP Only practice suggests that Evans won't be ready and KK is in the lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Hope KK brings his A game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbhatt Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 19 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: Hope KK brings his A game Seeing the likes of Staal and KK on our powerplay is just depressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 31 minutes ago, sbhatt said: Seeing the likes of Staal and KK on our powerplay is just depressing. I am not as negative about KK as you are, he has talent but has lost confidence. He might surprise, it's not like Evans was tearing it up but of course Evans is very responsible defensively which is important this time of year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 I like KK's passing off the half boards on the PP. He's also got a good shot (but doesn't use it enough). Staal shouldn't be on the PP. All semblance of offence is gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDriveFor25 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 KK adds nothing? How did we score the first two goals? Speed. Anderson and Byron blitzed by their d and KK is faster than many guys in the lineup. He should be in. He’s improving defensively as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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