2024 Training Camp and Rookie Camp

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

17 minutes ago, Commandant said:

 

If they keep 8, then yeah Mailloux stays up.

 

I was assuming 7. 

 

I already had Reinbacher and Engstrom going down. 

 

I guess on the right side you have Savard, Guhle and Barron then which is reasonable as Barron needs to prove one way or another whether he is an NHL defensemen. He needs to show it this year. 

[IN THE HEARTS OF MEN]

I also think they are starting with 7.... I also think the easy choice is Struble staying up and Mailloux going down.

 

But, I think Mailloux has a lot more to show over these next number of preseason  games and is already a "better" option than Barron. I'm not convinced Barron is gonna make the cut long term and I feel MSL believes the same.  Opening up a Righty out of camp.

 

This is how I feel it will pan out (barring

anymore more moves) in the end.

 

 

[Prime Minister Koivu]

These are today’s practice lines and I wouldn’t doubt if they are Saturdays lines.  Highly plausible starting lineup for the season - Struble subbing for Guhle here of course. 

[DON]

6 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:

These are today’s practice lines and I wouldn’t doubt if they are Saturdays lines.  Highly plausible starting lineup for the season - Struble subbing for Guhle here of course. 

No Mailloux, too bad.

Hope Andy is going to rebound and have a nice 20g season.

[Commandant]

1 hour ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said:

I also think they are starting with 7.... I also think the easy choice is Struble staying up and Mailloux going down.

 

But, I think Mailloux has a lot more to show over these next number of preseason  games and is already a "better" option than Barron. I'm not convinced Barron is gonna make the cut long term and I feel MSL believes the same.  Opening up a Righty out of camp.

 

This is how I feel it will pan out (barring

anymore more moves) in the end.

 

 

 

Strubles ability to play both sides makes him ideal at 7.

[tomh009]

19 minutes ago, Commandant said:

Strubles ability to play both sides makes him ideal at 7.

In spite of the departure of Harris, it looks like we might have three D-men capable of playing both LD and RD: Guhle, Harris and Hutson. Not a bad thing at all.

[tomh009]

Arpon Basu's closing paragraphs in his story on last night's game and, in particular, Hutson:

 

"But the most important point is that when the team decides it wants to see a rookie in a position he’s less comfortable in, and that rookie goes out and plays half the period and (two thirds) of the final 12 minutes against a very high level of competition, there is a reasoning behind that decision.

 

And when that rookie excels regardless, it seemingly cements a decision that has probably already been made.

 

At this point, it would be shocking if Hutson is not in the opening night lineup."

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

1 hour ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said:

But, I think Mailloux has a lot more to show over these next number of preseason  games and is already a "better" option than Barron. I'm not convinced Barron is gonna make the cut long term and I feel MSL believes the same. 

 

 

I agree, I think Mailloux has a better chance being here longer term than Barron BUT Barron is almost 23, has played over 100 games in the AHL, time to find out if he can be an NHL regular. This is the make it or break it year for him. 

[Commandant]

Yeah I agree with that.  

 

No doubt in my mind that Hutson is a top 6 defenceman on this team already, and likely top 4 with Savard. 

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

24 minutes ago, Commandant said:

 

Strubles ability to play both sides makes him ideal at 7.

 

I didn't realize Struble could play both sides, definitely help his cause. 

[Commandant]

Just now, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

 

I agree, I think Mailloux has a better chance being here longer term than Barron BUT Barron is almost 23, has played over 100 games in the AHL, time to find out if he can be an NHL regular. This is the make it or break it year for him. 

 

I just don't think they are gonna put Barron on waivers.  

 

And in all honesty, he's an NHL player, even with the defensive deficiencies, he can help someone who needs a puck mover on the back end.  It may not be in Montreal cause his ceiling isn't as high as Reinbacher and Mailloux, but he can make it somewhere. 

 

Similar to how Mike Reilly and Nathan Beaulieu had good seasons after leaving Montreal, someone will take him on. 

 

Might as well keep him and use him as a trade chip when Mailloux and Reinbacher are ready. 

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

6 minutes ago, Commandant said:

 

I just don't think they are gonna put Barron on waivers.  

 

And in all honesty, he's an NHL player, even with the defensive deficiencies, he can help someone who needs a puck mover on the back end.  It may not be in Montreal cause his ceiling isn't as high as Reinbacher and Mailloux, but he can make it somewhere. 

 

Similar to how Mike Reilly and Nathan Beaulieu had good seasons after leaving Montreal, someone will take him on. 

 

Might as well keep him and use him as a trade chip when Mailloux and Reinbacher are ready. 

 

They definitely won't put Barron waivers as someone would claim him for sure, that would be bad asset management. 

 

He does have talent, very mobile.  I hope he makes it and has a great year, just not confident it will happen. Certainly has some value in a trade if it comes to that. 

[TurdBurglar]

Barron's problem is he isn't a regular 6 defenseman even on Montreal.  His defense just isn't NHL caliber and his offense isn't good enough to make up for his defensive issues.  This leaves him as a 7th defenseman because he probably wouldn't clear waivers, but at the same time not really valuable enough to get any form of decent return.  It's kind of like the Primeau situation last season in that respect. 

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

7 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said:

Barron's problem is he isn't a regular 6 defenseman even on Montreal.  His defense just isn't NHL caliber and his offense isn't good enough to make up for his defensive issues.  This leaves him as a 7th defenseman because he probably wouldn't clear waivers, but at the same time not really valuable enough to get any form of decent return.  It's kind of like the Primeau situation last season in that respect. 

 

By himself Barron wouldn't command a great return but in a package deal he could be a decent piece. I just think this is the year he has to show that can play. 

[DON]

I think i felt more comfortable when Harris or Kov... were on the ice than Barron.

 

I forgot to say, i thought Pezzetta stood out in that game, good on him to keep hitting and working hard in his 11:29 of icetime.

 

Barron 22:03 (didnt know he played that much)

Xhekaj got 20:06, but was riding shotgun for Hutson in the 3rd wasnt he?

Kidney an invisible 11:44

Tuch had a couple of scrappy moments and looked OK.

 

 

 

[IN THE HEARTS OF MEN]

Hughes has clearly shown he is not in the "lose assets for free" business. Barron being waived is a mute discussion.

 

 

I am also not convinced Struble has played significant games at RD to say he can play both sides of the ice at the pro level yet. We haven't really seen it at all in fact. He has played almost exclusively on the left side at the pro level both in MTL and Laval.

 

Did he even play significant games on the right at North Eastern? i dont believe so.

 

[Commandant]

55 minutes ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said:

Hughes has clearly shown he is not in the "lose assets for free" business. Barron being waived is a mute discussion.

 

 

I am also not convinced Struble has played significant games at RD to say he can play both sides of the ice at the pro level yet. We haven't really seen it at all in fact. He has played almost exclusively on the left side at the pro level both in MTL and Laval.

 

Did he even play significant games on the right at North Eastern? i dont believe so.

 

 

Yes he spent a lot of time at RD in college.

[dlbalr]

Toronto's roster for tonight:

 

 

I expect Montreal will run a good chunk of their 'A' lineup out for this one with maybe a few of the bubble prospects.

[TurdBurglar]

5 minutes ago, dlbalr said:

Toronto's roster for tonight:

 

 

I expect Montreal will run a good chunk of their 'A' lineup out for this one with maybe a few of the bubble prospects.

Yeah, it's pretty typical with the preseason home and home with Toronto that each team runs most of the NHL lineup in their home game while sending out a mostly AHL team in the away.

[Prime Minister Koivu]

 

[Prime Minister Koivu]

Beck getting a very good opportunity to show what he can do as the third line centre. Good luck buddy 👍

 

Game is on TSN 4 and 2 which is leaf area and Habs area of broadcasting. 

[Prime Minister Koivu]

41 minutes ago, dlbalr said:

Toronto's roster for tonight:

 

 

I expect Montreal will run a good chunk of their 'A' lineup out for this one with maybe a few of the bubble prospects.

I like Knies a lot but that roster is not good. 
 

I hope we slaughter them and we should 

[IN THE HEARTS OF MEN]

11 hours ago, Commandant said:

 

Yes he spent a lot of time at RD in college.

I challenge that...

is less than a 1/4 of his 104 total college games at right count as " a lot"

Does zero games in Laval and 1 in Montreal?

 

Struble is a specimen and heck of a player. But, he has much to prove on the right side is all im saying and should not be included as a dman who can play both sides at this point. 

[Commandant]

1 minute ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said:

I challenge that...

is less than a 1/4 of his 104 total college games at right count as " a lot"

Does zero games in Laval and 1 in Montreal?

 

Struble is a specimen and heck of a player. But, he has much to prove on the right side is all im saying and should not be included as a dman who can play both sides at this point. 

 

Hes played less than a full season.  He has a lot to prove on both sides.

 

But he has some experience on both sides which is ideal as the 7th D.

[IN THE HEARTS OF MEN]

That I can agree with.

With that said, I still do think it's a numbers game, and because Struble is waiver exempt (like Hutson and Mailloux) and not Barron, he will be sent down to create space for Mailloux. This will provide a more balanced D and hold Barrons feet to the flames. Again, Mailloux is ahead of Barron (not contractually but in performance), evidenced by their deployment for 30 plus games in Laval LY alone.

 

 

But we are allowed to arm chair GM our team in preseason and see how it all pans out.