Machine of Loving Grace Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 The one time 13 year old Youtube senstaion, all grown up and ready for the NHL Draft, from Lac Beauport Quebec, Kevin Roy http://lastwordonspo...e-61-kevin-roy/ Would be a great pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illWill Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 The one time 13 year old Youtube senstaion, all grown up and ready for the NHL Draft, from Lac Beauport Quebec, Kevin Roy http://lastwordonspo...e-61-kevin-roy/ I remember this video quite well and after watching it again, I still can't believe how talented that kid is. He was THIRTEEN pulling moves like that!! He would of embarrassed some NHL goalies if they were in the video. He is definitely a tantalizing prospect, but the only downfall is the media scrutiny of yet another "smurf" selection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForumGhost Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 If Montreal was really serious about trading up to the number one spot, you gotta believe it wouldn't take that much more to bring Edmonton down a whole 2 spots. Maybe Diaz and a 2nd? Ellis and a 2nd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bostonhabs Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 If Montreal was really serious about trading up to the number one spot, you gotta believe it wouldn't take that much more to bring Edmonton down a whole 2 spots. Maybe Diaz and a 2nd? Ellis and a 2nd? Would you trade p.k for the first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Would you trade p.k for the first? No! No! God no!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForumGhost Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 PK AND the 3rd overall? That's not realistic. Maybe an argument can be made for Subban straight up for the 1st (maybe throw in a minor pick or prospect with Subban), but I personally wouldn't do it. 1st and 3rd overall would be neat, but I like Subban too much and would like him to be a career Hab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illWill Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 I wonder how much dialogue occurs between GM's prior to their draft selections. Will Bergevin know who Edm and Col will likely pick before it happens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 If this was the Malkin/ovechkin or the crosby draft I'd move Subban for the first overall, no way I'd do it this year. PK AND the 3rd overall? That's not realistic. Maybe an argument can be made for Subban straight up for the 1st (maybe throw in a minor pick or prospect with Subban), but I personally wouldn't do it. 1st and 3rd overall would be neat, but I like Subban too much and would like him to be a career Hab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HabsWEST Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 PK AND the 3rd overall? That's not realistic. Maybe an argument can be made for Subban straight up for the 1st (maybe throw in a minor pick or prospect with Subban), but I personally wouldn't do it. 1st and 3rd overall would be neat, but I like Subban too much and would like him to be a career Hab. Living in Edmonton, and reading and seeing all of Tambellini's interviews: OILERS want a top rated young DEF. back PLUS a pick within the TOP 5!. It would take SUBBAN and HABS 3rd, for OILERS 1st, end of discussion. or ELSE Oilers are taking Yakupov, with an outside possibility of them taking Murray. Otherwise, hoping Montreal takes Alex Galchenyuk, especially how well he did at the Scouting combine. ( and to come back from ACL surgery under 6 months, is amazing!) Montreal wouldnt trade Subban and a 3rd overall, and Oilers wouldnt take anything less, so end of story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thib46 Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 PK and the 3rd overall for the 1st Overall, not going to happen. Whoever came up with that one must be having a bad case of hallucinations. Now how about my hallucinations, Weber, Diaz and the 3rd overall for the 1st. Both help the Edmonton defense and they still get the 3rd pick and they pick the best defenseman available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 8, 2012 Author Share Posted June 8, 2012 PK and the 3rd overall for the 1st Overall, not going to happen. Whoever came up with that one must be having a bad case of hallucinations. Now how about my hallucinations, Weber, Diaz and the 3rd overall for the 1st. Both help the Edmonton defense and they still get the 3rd pick and they pick the best defenseman available. Edmonton has plenty of third pairing defenders, they need guys who can play a number 1 role. Plus Edmonton has a ton of defensive prospects too (lots of good #2s, 3s, and 4s)... What they lack is the number 1, so Weber and Diaz don't fill their needs. Plus I don't see the point in any team, (including ours) carrying both Weber and Diaz... they are redundant pieces... and one of them (Weber) needs to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForumGhost Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Edmonton should really considering adjusting their standards to the level of realism. With a top 5 pick they can have the stud defenseman that they need more than another elite forward. There's no point in using 1st overall to pick Dumba or Murray, so if they can at least get what amount to a free second rounder and/or viable NHL prospect, they should probably do it. Although I guess if any team is stupid enough to give up a blue chipper AND a top 5 pick, they should take that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bostonhabs Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 No! No! God no!! HAHA that is why i say not to trading up!!! p.k was a 42 2nd rd pick. we could be dealing a P.K or better player along with what could turn out to be the best player in the draft. the 1st overall is not always the best player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bostonhabs Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 PK and the 3rd overall for the 1st Overall, not going to happen. Whoever came up with that one must be having a bad case of hallucinations. Now how about my hallucinations, Weber, Diaz and the 3rd overall for the 1st. Both help the Edmonton defense and they still get the 3rd pick and they pick the best defenseman available. Why do most people think that spare parts and a pick will bring you gold? Can weber be useful? yes he can same with diaz but they are the same player and u can't have two of those guy's in your line up and be a top team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Why do most people think that spare parts and a pick will bring you gold? Can weber be useful? yes he can same with diaz but they are the same player and u can't have two of those guy's in your line up and be a top team. It's an EA Sports thing. Trade don't work? Add a 68 overall player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForumGhost Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 It's not a matter of Diaz bringing gold, it's a matter of tipping the trade. If Edmonton decides they need a defenceman, why would they waste the 1st overall when who they want can be had a few pics down? If that's the case, 1st overall is no different than the 3rd overall to them. If you can get something in the process (Diaz & a 2nd rounder for example), then why not? Nothing will have changed for Edmonton except that they get a little bit extra for free. Now if a team like, say Philly, who don't have a high 1st rounder called, then obviously Edmonton would be sacrificing more and would expect a legit return. But if they decided to trade down to get Murray, it would be a sideways move for them. I'm sure that GM's with high picks realize this. Hopefully Burke wouldn't do something stupid like the 5th overall and Schenn for the 1st. If that's what Edmonton is asking for, they won't get anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bostonhabs Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 It's not a matter of Diaz bringing gold, it's a matter of tipping the trade. If Edmonton decides they need a defenceman, why would they waste the 1st overall when who they want can be had a few pics down? If that's the case, 1st overall is no different than the 3rd overall to them. If you can get something in the process (Diaz & a 2nd rounder for example), then why not? Nothing will have changed for Edmonton except that they get a little bit extra for free. Now if a team like, say Philly, who don't have a high 1st rounder called, then obviously Edmonton would be sacrificing more and would expect a legit return. But if they decided to trade down to get Murray, it would be a sideways move for them. I'm sure that GM's with high picks realize this. Hopefully Burke wouldn't do something stupid like the 5th overall and Schenn for the 1st. If that's what Edmonton is asking for, they won't get anything. If i am an team and had a choice weber or diaz i would pick weber. better shot more physical and younger. if i am edmonton i would take a 5th and schenn for a first he is a solid top four with size and a stay at home guy. top three or 4 will or might be forwards so they will get a great d man prospect as well as a now young guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 9, 2012 Author Share Posted June 9, 2012 Calling Weber more physical than diaz, is like saying my 9 year old niece is stronger than your 8 year old daughter. It doesn't make a difference. Diaz is a much smarter player, much more sound positionally, and a much better defender overall. I do agree Weber has the better shot, but Diaz is the better skater, puckhandler and passer. I'd keep Diaz easily. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Calling Weber more physical than diaz, is like saying my 9 year old niece is stronger than your 8 year old daughter. It doesn't make a difference. Diaz is a much smarter player, much more sound positionally, and a much better defender overall. I do agree Weber has the better shot, but Diaz is the better skater, puckhandler and passer. I'd keep Diaz easily. Diaz is better right now, but lets not forget that Weber in two years will probably be better then Diaz. Weber was handled terribly by Martin, who was taking a young dman trying to adjust from junior/AHL to NHL was being asked to play forward and special teams PP (much like Streit was under-appreciated as a dman in Montreal by Carbo and thought only to be able to contribute as the point man on the PP) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 9, 2012 Author Share Posted June 9, 2012 Diaz is better right now, but lets not forget that Weber in two years will probably be better then Diaz. Weber was handled terribly by Martin, who was taking a young dman trying to adjust from junior/AHL to NHL was being asked to play forward and special teams PP (much like Streit was under-appreciated as a dman in Montreal by Carbo and thought only to be able to contribute as the point man on the PP) I don't think you can blame everything on Martin. Weber was a minus player as a defenceman on a first place bulldogs club. He would score on the PP but his play in his own zone was also poor even in Hamilton. I really don't see a future in him more than a 6th defenceman, and the fact that he's younger might mean he has more trade value. =========================================================== Moving on though Today we look at Swedish Defenceman Calle Andersson http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/06/09/nhl-draft-prospect-profile-62-calle-andersson/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankhab Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 I agree, I don't believe Weber will be anything other than bottom pairing/power play specialist. He is too small and not defensive enough to be much more. I think Diaz, although also undersized, has more upside. What we really need is a reliable, large 6th defenseman or two to shore up the d on this team (and a healthy Markov would make the squad look a lot better too). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 9, 2012 Author Share Posted June 9, 2012 I agree, I don't believe Weber will be anything other than bottom pairing/power play specialist. He is too small and not defensive enough to be much more. I think Diaz, although also undersized, has more upside. What we really need is a reliable, large 6th defenseman or two to shore up the d on this team (and a healthy Markov would make the squad look a lot better too). I wouldn't worry about the 6th D... I'd go after a Jackman or Allen to play in the top 4. Heck Bryce Salvador is looking like more and more of a good option cause he's older and wouldn't want a long term deal and the guy we sign just needs to be a stop gap. My thinking is that you need a D who can play 20 minutes per night. 1) Emelin might have a sophomore slump. 2) Markov's health is a question mark If neither of those happen and our signing plays with Kaberle.... thats good for us, we'll have a damn good defence. If however our signing needs to be top 4 he can be. I'd line it up Gorges or UFA - Subban Markov - Gorges or UFA Kaberle - Emelin Diaz 2) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nihilz Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 I wouldn't worry about the 6th D... I'd go after a Jackman or Allen to play in the top 4. Heck Bryce Salvador is looking like more and more of a good option cause he's older and wouldn't want a long term deal and the guy we sign just needs to be a stop gap. My thinking is that you need a D who can play 20 minutes per night. 1) Emelin might have a sophomore slump. 2) Markov's health is a question mark If neither of those happen and our signing plays with Kaberle.... thats good for us, we'll have a damn good defence. If however our signing needs to be top 4 he can be. I'd line it up Gorges or UFA - Subban Markov - Gorges or UFA Kaberle - Emelin Diaz 2) Im all for Bryan Allen. I think he would completely compliment and complete the D. Upgrade on Gill's base. I wouldn't be too quick to quite on Weber though. Unless he's being packaged to facilitate the forwards via trade. He and PK were mirror images in OHL. PK has just developed faster as he has amazing natural ability(genetically). I have a feeling we'll be looking at another Beauchimin, Robidas or Streit when he puts it together. I think sending him to play in Switzerland instead of "burying" him in the AHL would make him a better player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 9, 2012 Author Share Posted June 9, 2012 Im all for Bryan Allen. I think he would completely compliment and complete the D. Upgrade on Gill's base. I wouldn't be too quick to quite on Weber though. Unless he's being packaged to facilitate the forwards via trade. He and PK were mirror images in OHL. PK has just developed faster as he has amazing natural ability(genetically). I have a feeling we'll be looking at another Beauchimin, Robidas or Streit when he puts it together. I think sending him to play in Switzerland instead of "burying" him in the AHL would make him a better player. He's reached an age where he must be subjected to waivers to be put in the AHL or Europe so unless you want to keep him on the big club you move him out via trade. I'd take a third rounder for him As for being mirror image with PK in the OHL, I disagree, they may have had similar stats but Weber was no where near as dynamic as PK. PK also greatly improved his D post draft to the point where in his final year in the OHL he was named the 2nd best defensive D in the conference by the coach's poll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Yeah, PK in his last year looked like Bobby Orr with the amount of times he would go coast to coast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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