John B Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Hope you guys don't mind me jumping in on the Canadiens defense discussion. Most of the rumors I've read on several sites are saying that Boston, Carolina, Chicago, Columbus, and Los Angeles are currently or were at some point this season looking for defensemen. Boston, and Chicago are in cap trouble so will need a dman with a friendly cap hit. Columbus and L.A. can't afford anyone too expensive either. Tinordi would make sense for any of these teams. I like prospect Brandon Carlo in Boston, but is it wise to make a trade with a division rival? Would Boston even consider trading him for Tinordi? As far as trading Emelin goes, we would most likely have to take back a contract. There was a rumor on mynhltraderumors.com before last season's trade deadline that Bergevin and Murray of the Ducks were working on a trade that involved Emelin and Fowler. The rumor report said that there were "other pieces" involved, but it was unknown what they were. Emelin injured himself just before the deadline and the Canadiens and Ducks swapped Sekac for Smith-Pelly. I wonder if there was a bigger deal in the works and if the Canadiens and Ducks could still work out an Emelin for Fowler deal. I look forward to hearing what you guys think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I don't know that I answer your question, but I would like to welcome you to the forum and hope that you enjoy as much as the rest of us do. I t really is the most honest and informative forum out there. Thanks to the people who run it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 What would Semin bring back in a trade I wonder? (sorry had to do it, we all know no other GM would touch him with 10 foot pole) Florida? He might look pretty good with slow Jagr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Bruins wouldn't trade Carlo for Tinordi, maybe a 5th round pick if Habs are lucky. Ducks got Bieksa so likely don't need an Emelin and Fowler is one of their best, a solid young top 4 d-man who plays lots of PP & PK, I think anyone would trade Emelin for him in a heartbeat, but would need more tossed in to sweeten that deal. Ducks are suckin so maybe they will make a move though? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Carlo is tinordi 2.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Price (no relation) Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 for sheer survival, i'd never trade a guy like Tinordi to Boston. Trade a 6'6" monster to Boston, where he can learn to be an utter goon and attempt to injure our players multiple games a season? No way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I think (hope) goon days are gone, big & slow d-men who cant handle puck at all don't stick around NHL for long anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I think (hope) goon days are gone, big & slow d-men who cant handle puck at all don't stick around NHL for long anymore. Disappointing thing is that I don't feel Tinordi is that slow at all. When he has a little space he can get up and down the ice really well. The problem is that if there's any sweaters he doesn't recognize near him the puck turns into a hand grenade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 If Tinordi's trade value is that low then I vote to keep him, but get him into some games. He's not going to get any better in the press box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 (edited) Thanks for the welcome "habs rule". I've been reading posts from everyone since before the trade deadline last year. Seems like a cool place with nice people to chat about our favorite team. Edited November 3, 2015 by John B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Do we care more that Tinordi gets 'better', or that Habs win? And then question is...who gets scratched to allow him to play, Beaulieu or Emelin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Do we care more that Tinordi gets 'better', or that Habs win? And then question is...who gets scratched to allow him to play, Beaulieu or Emelin? Good post. The bottom line is that Tinordi has not been able to earn a spot. It's that, if anything, that should be bothering us - not the fact that the Habs are insisting on dressing better players than him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 If Tinordi's trade value is that low then I vote to keep him, but get him into some games. He's not going to get any better in the press box. Pateryn is down for a conditioning stint (2 weeks or less), when he comes back, Tinordi can do the same. If he can't earn an NHL spot, we can't force him into one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted November 3, 2015 Author Share Posted November 3, 2015 Pateryn is down for a conditioning stint (2 weeks or less), when he comes back, Tinordi can do the same. If he wants to, he can accept a conditioning stint. I don't think he wants to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 How are they both supposed to earn an NHL spot now ? Outpractice their teammates ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 NHL teams average 10+ different d-men dressing/yr, so if can bide their time and wait for flu or injury they likely will get a crack...although Barberio is likely rising on depthchart and if Tinordi could be waived I would guess Barberio would be the LH d-man in the pressbox instead and he may be ahead of Tinordi right now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 If he wants to, he can accept a conditioning stint. I don't think he wants to. Then he is hampering his own development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Then he is hampering his own development. Or hoping for a trade to enhance his own development ,,,,,,,,,on an NHL team he can make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 If he wants to, he can accept a conditioning stint. I don't think he wants to. Accordign to Renaud Lavoie, the Habs have never asked tinordi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Thanks for the welcome "habs rule". I've been reading posts from everyone since before the trade deadline last year. Seems like a cool place with nice people to chat about our favorite team. Welcome to the board JB. I for one do not want to see Tinordi in a Bruins jersey. I do think he is good enough to come in and take Gilberts job. However he gets yanked as soon as he makes a mistake. Habs cant get much in a trade for a guy they have cut from team over and over and over. Heck they are playing Gilbert ahead of him. Try trade that ! I say keep him and go the late bloomer route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted November 5, 2015 Author Share Posted November 5, 2015 Accordign to Renaud Lavoie, the Habs have never asked tinordi. While that makes no sense from an organizational standpoint, I still have doubts he'd accept if asked. Just a hunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Welcome to the board JB. I for one do not want to see Tinordi in a Bruins jersey. I do think he is good enough to come in and take Gilberts job. However he gets yanked as soon as he makes a mistake. Habs cant get much in a trade for a guy they have cut from team over and over and over. Heck they are playing Gilbert ahead of him. Try trade that ! I say keep him and go the late bloomer route. Tinordi and Gilbert aren't really competing for the same job. Pateryn and Gilbert are competing for 1 spot on the right. Beaulieu, Emelin, and tinordi are 3 guys competing for 2 spots on the left. We've seen tinordi on RD, and man that was ugly and his worst games by far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Tinordi and Gilbert aren't really competing for the same job. Pateryn and Gilbert are competing for 1 spot on the right. Beaulieu, Emelin, and tinordi are 3 guys competing for 2 spots on the left. We've seen tinordi on RD, and man that was ugly and his worst games by far. You are right about that. I like both players style over Gilberts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 You are right about that. I like both players style over Gilberts. Gilbert has had a good season, though. There is a world of difference between him eating major minutes and him being used as a bottom-pairing guy. I'm not so sure about 'liking their style' over Gilbert in principle. Gilbert is a decent-skating D-man who, if not overused as a top-4 guy, can be helpful in moving the puck and complementing the Habs' overall game. Otherwise put, he's well-suited to a league (and a team system) that places an increasing premium on puck-movement and speed. I'm not sure it makes sense for our team to carry two D-men (Emelin and either Tinordi or Pateryn) that play a more old-fashioned hard-nosed style without particularly impressive speed or mobility. (This is not to deny that Pateryn is an efficient defenceman by any means - just that his 'style' doesn't really fit the puck-moving game as well as Gilbert). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Gilbert has had a good season, though. There is a world of difference between him eating major minutes and him being used as a bottom-pairing guy. I'm not so sure about 'liking their style' over Gilbert in principle. Gilbert is a decent-skating D-man who, if not overused as a top-4 guy, can be helpful in moving the puck and complementing the Habs' overall game. Otherwise put, he's well-suited to a league (and a team system) that places an increasing premium on puck-movement and speed. I'm not sure it makes sense for our team to carry two D-men (Emelin and either Tinordi or Pateryn) that play a more old-fashioned hard-nosed style without particularly impressive speed or mobility. (This is not to deny that Pateryn is an efficient defenceman by any means - just that his 'style' doesn't really fit the puck-moving game as well as Gilbert). Well said. Still if thats the case. Carrying one physical D and five "puck movers" . I want a better one than Gilbert. Perhaps a younger guy with more upside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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