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Have watched a lot of Oilers games and Puljiujarvi is shocking in how he kills chances.

 

He just doesn't receive passes because he seems to be not expecting them? Fans on shots... Just randomly loses the puck. Passes to nothing...

 

It's all very odd to watch. I don't know if it's a hockey IQ thing or just mentally he's checked out completely.

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So... Some trade deadline conversation anyone? I know it's early but whatever :)

 

The guys we 100% expect to see moved if there is a buyer... are.

 

Expiring Contracts:

Drouin/Byron: if either look like they can skate again.

Dadanov: if he... Actually looks like he's an NHLr again

Monahan: assuming he's healthy.. he'll go for a good price.

 

Then other possibilities...

 

2y:

Mike Hoffmann - i think he is too pricey and inconsistent for 2 years. Next year if he doesn't suck he'll go.

Wideman - doubt it but who knows teams love playoff defense depth.

Edmonston - honestly doubt it. Don't think he's played well enough for a team to bite. Injury problems with another year left. Also Habs may want to keep the vet around the young guys.

 

Longer term: 

Anderson - value is down but teams were interested... Maybe Habs more willing to sell?

 

 

basically... With for the majority of guys we want moved (Hoffmann, Dadanov, Drouin). We are looking for a trade partner that needs scoring. So I'm going to focus on forwards.

 

Monahan to a team with center depth issues.

 

Anderson well that's a different conversation completely.

 

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Quick glance potential partners with scoring issues.

 

Currently bubble who are all in: Calgary, Carolina, Washington.

 

Currently bubble who may buy: Nashville.

 

Teams that look solid but may want offense: Winnipeg.

 

Others: I imagine Colorado will just wait out injuries and that Minnesota is coasting during the Suter/Parise cap hell seasons.

 

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Winnipeg: they will get Ehlers and Appleton back but I think they'd want another forward incase of a top six injury. They have the cap space. They really heavily dedicate their top six to offensive zone starts and their bottom six to defensive zone starts.

 

However some advanced stats indicate they may be better served upgrading one of the wingers they always start in the defensive zone ie: Morgan Barron or Saku Maenalanen.

 

I think you see the team maybe move Mason Appleton when healthy and that would set them up with almost 5M in free cap for a big forward pickup.

 

The way they give their top six heavy offensive zone starts could benefit guys like Hoffmann or Drouin/Dadanov (if they are relevant by then).

 

Hell maybe they will think bringing Drouin in will help convince Dubois the bright lights aren't great hahaha.

 

Maybe a larger deal could be possible here.

MTL: Drouin + Monahan retained 50%.

WIN: Appleton + picks and whatever

 

Though given Winnipeg's fragile LR... A Drouin or Hoffmann may not be very intriguing haha.

 

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Nashville: they don't really have the expiring contracts to be a good seller this year. So I think they make moves to try and compete. Minnesota will lose their spot in the central to Colorado... But I could see one of Dallas or Winnipeg's resurgence not continuing. If that happens Nashville definitely buys.

 

They'd want a top six winger to push Colton Sissons down. Sissons has taken a lot of draws but Grandlund/Johansen I imagine are their 1/2 centers. Grandlund just sucks as faceoffs so maybe Sissons has been taking some for him?

 

Regardless I really think Monahan could end up in Nashville. Solid fit. Lower chance they take Drouin on a bargain deal if they want to make a move but not spend much.

 

No solid ties between the other guys to Poille or Hynes.

 

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Calgary: there is history between our teams and they have lots of picks. But none of the expiring wingers fit a Suter team and they have great center depth. Maybe Anderson? His contract fits the window of their team and I could see a world where a Suter system would give him the structure to be more consistent. Were they interested before?

 

They'd have to move Lucic to a different team (m-ntc so won't be us). Which they have the assets to do. Or maybe theres a Blake Coleman - Anderson deal of some kind? Not sure what that'd look like...

 

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Washington: injuries galore. Wilson will be back soon at least well before trade deadline. Backstrom might be back... Lord only knows there? Connor Brown won't be back till playoffs most likely. Haglein is done I think.

 

Honestly, they likely will be doing better when Kuemper, Wilson and Orlov are back. They'd need to see Pitts or one of the NY teams fall back. Looks like Backstrom is coming back and not Kucheroving it... They will be right up against the cap.

 

Basically think they will just wait out injuries and not buy.

 

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Carolina: lol. Hard to see this happening. But the waiver claim was with Bergevin so maybe it's okay now?

 

Basically they are waiting on Patches? Should be back in February... If it is longer it could go past the march trade deadline but I can't imagine patches will take until late April? He always beat rehab times here.

 

So I think they aren't actually an option.

 

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In the end of my lengthy exercise.

I'm thinking a Nashville or Winnipeg could be prime Monahan destinations.

 

Winnipeg may also be our best shot at interest in another of our rental options.

 

Then Calgary maybe wants Anderson? Lol.

 

What do you all think?

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15 minutes ago, Plutarch said:

Maybe a larger deal could be possible here.

MTL: Drouin + Monahan retained 50%.

WIN: Appleton + picks and whatever

 

What's the pick coming Montreal's way?  Unless that's a first-rounder, the Habs should stay away.  They can't use their best trade asset (and two retention slots) on a third-line winger that only has two years of team control left before unrestricted free agency; he'd be gone by the time the Habs want to be a playoff team again. 

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In terms of coaching connections... Since who coaches trust always matters.

 

Drouin

 

Rick Bowness in Winnipeg was an associate coach with Tampa during drouins entire tenure. If the relationship was good or bad dunno.

 

One of his assistant coaches from Halifax days is an assistant with the Rangers now. But a big city really doesn't seem like the best option for Drouin.

 

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Hoffmann

 

Well obviously some issues here...

Can't imagine anyone from Ottawa days has much good to say. I remember it going well in St Louis.

 

Luke Richardson coached him in AHL when Hoffmann led the baby sens in scoring and in Montreal. But Chicago can't be interested obviously.

 

If it wasn't all bad in St. Louis... They may need help but... otherwise their old assistant Jim Montgomery is in Boston?

 

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Hoffmann/Dadanov from Florida days

 

Both scored a ton in 18-19 together.

Coaches from that team are now assistants with Detroit, Ottawa (lol for both them), Seattle.

 

Then there was a huge overhaul of coaching staff that next season... Season after both were out of Florida so I don't think that next crew likes them.

 

I don't think Detroit is buying yet... But Seattle? Maybe one of Hoffmann or Dadanov could find a home with a good word from Paul MacFarland? Anyone know of the relationship there?

 

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Josh Anderson

 

Torts: good ol'torts had Anderson when he neted 27 but also when he got traded to the Habs for Domi. Plus Philly likely isn't buying... But maybe they will go crazy! Fletcher time baby?

 

Josh Bednar: yah so Bednar was Anderson's head coach in Lake Erie in 15-16... One of the assistants from that team is also with Colorado. Maaaaaybe they call us at the deadline again? Perhaps something could work if we take umm... Erik Johnson, trade them Anderson then retain on Edmonston?

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28 minutes ago, dlbalr said:

 

What's the pick coming Montreal's way?  Unless that's a first-rounder, the Habs should stay away.  They can't use their best trade asset (and two retention slots) on a third-line winger that only has two years of team control left before unrestricted free agency; he'd be gone by the time the Habs want to be a playoff team again. 

Oh yah obviously a 1st minimum. Appleton would be basically viewed as a piece to flip next year or the year after.

 

I'm just trying to see what potential trade partners exist to stimulate conversation.

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1 hour ago, Plutarch said:

In terms of coaching connections... Since who coaches trust always matters.

 

Drouin

 

Rick Bowness in Winnipeg was an associate coach with Tampa during drouins entire tenure. If the relationship was good or bad dunno.

 

One of his assistant coaches from Halifax days is an assistant with the Rangers now. But a big city really doesn't seem like the best option for Drouin.

 

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Hoffmann

 

Well obviously some issues here...

Can't imagine anyone from Ottawa days has much good to say. I remember it going well in St Louis.

 

Luke Richardson coached him in AHL when Hoffmann led the baby sens in scoring and in Montreal. But Chicago can't be interested obviously.

 

If it wasn't all bad in St. Louis... They may need help but... otherwise their old assistant Jim Montgomery is in Boston?

 

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Hoffmann/Dadanov from Florida days

 

Both scored a ton in 18-19 together.

Coaches from that team are now assistants with Detroit, Ottawa (lol for both them), Seattle.

 

Then there was a huge overhaul of coaching staff that next season... Season after both were out of Florida so I don't think that next crew likes them.

 

I don't think Detroit is buying yet... But Seattle? Maybe one of Hoffmann or Dadanov could find a home with a good word from Paul MacFarland? Anyone know of the relationship there?

 

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Josh Anderson

 

Torts: good ol'torts had Anderson when he neted 27 but also when he got traded to the Habs for Domi. Plus Philly likely isn't buying... But maybe they will go crazy! Fletcher time baby?

 

Josh Bednar: yah so Bednar was Anderson's head coach in Lake Erie in 15-16... One of the assistants from that team is also with Colorado. Maaaaaybe they call us at the deadline again? Perhaps something could work if we take umm... Erik Johnson, trade them Anderson then retain on Edmonston?

 

Generally speaking, I think the Habs have to pivot away from the idea of getting anything for Drouin.  If you're a playoff team, is Drouin the type of player you'd want in the lineup?  I don't think so.  Maybe if they retained 50% they could get a seventh-rounder but is that the best usage of a retention slot?  Their best shot at trading him is in a cap dump for cap dump type of trade.  Connections won't matter much on that front, it'll just be a matter of finding another player a team has had enough of.

 

Hoffman's tenure in St. Louis wasn't smooth at all to the point where he was a healthy scratch and they were more than happy to have him leave.  Plus, they're basically limited to rentals only as their cap space is tied to Scandella's LTIR.  Hoffman might be a player for player type of swap as well.

 

Seattle's capped out so a trade for Dadonov or Hoffman is unlikely.  Detroit might buy on Dadonov if they're in the mix and the asking price is low.

 

Philly likes Anderson but the cap makes it difficult.  Colorado can't afford Anderson's long-term contract.  They'll be in on Monahan though.

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IMO our only hope of a good return is Monahan. 
 

Dadonov, Drouin, Hoffman are either worth nothing or a late round pick. 
 

Anderson has value but is a more complicated trade due to term. 
 

Edmundson might return a Chairot type deal but the limited no trade and the extra year of contract make it tougher. 
 

I would love to trade Matheson but I have no idea what he would be worth or if anyone wants him. 
 

Not to mention that the salary cap seems to be a really difficult thing for many teams right now. 

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2 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:

 

I would love to trade Matheson but I have no idea what he would be worth or if anyone wants him. 

What? Why? Sounds kooky move to me?

I assume the odds are less than 0% this would happen this year.

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I don’t know why we would trade Matheson, nor do I accept that he has sucked. And the advance stats show quite the contrary, I believe. He is a skating, rushing defenceman. He’s so-so in his end. You need defencemen like that. 

14 hours ago, dlbalr said:

 

Generally speaking, I think the Habs have to pivot away from the idea of getting anything for Drouin.  If you're a playoff team, is Drouin the type of player you'd want in the lineup?  I don't think so.  Maybe if they retained 50% they could get a seventh-rounder but is that the best usage of a retention slot?  Their best shot at trading him is in a cap dump for cap dump type of trade.  Connections won't matter much on that front, it'll just be a matter of finding another player a team has had enough of.

 

Hoffman's tenure in St. Louis wasn't smooth at all to the point where he was a healthy scratch and they were more than happy to have him leave.  Plus, they're basically limited to rentals only as their cap space is tied to Scandella's LTIR.  Hoffman might be a player for player type of swap as well.

 

Seattle's capped out so a trade for Dadonov or Hoffman is unlikely.  Detroit might buy on Dadonov if they're in the mix and the asking price is low.

 

Philly likes Anderson but the cap makes it difficult.  Colorado can't afford Anderson's long-term contract.  They'll be in on Monahan though.

 

Drouin may be done as an NHLer. I see him as tryout material and, if that doesn’t work out, he ends up in Europe. Maybe a bottom-feeder in desperate need of FW talent might take a flyer on him. So, I agree with you. Given that this is the last year of his contract, just see if you can get any sort of asset for him, or else let him play out the string and be grateful for the vacated cap space.

 

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Droin (if healthy), Armia, Dadonov, Hoffman, even Anderson are 3rd liners that would provide secondary offensive production if matched with the right linemates.

 

Cap space and context are key to find the right trading partner.

 

Matheson is not going anywhere, he was trumpeted by Hugh-Gort as a great addition and I doubt they trade him at all. Edmundson is the more likely LD to be moved, because of style of play and redundant role with the Habs (Guhle, Xhekaj)

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8 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

I don’t know why we would trade Matheson, nor do I accept that he has sucked. And the advance stats show quite the contrary, I believe. He is a skating, rushing defenceman. He’s so-so in his end. You need defencemen like that. 

 

Drouin may be done as an NHLer. I see him as tryout material and, if that doesn’t work out, he ends up in Europe. Maybe a bottom-feeder in desperate need of FW talent might take a flyer on him. So, I agree with you. Given that this is the last year of his contract, just see if you can get any sort of asset for him, or else let him play out the string and be grateful for the vacated cap space.

 

 

That's basically how I feel about Drouin. No question that Monahan is our best trade chip at the deadline with Edmundson #2. That is assuming they are healthy.  Anderson is certainly much more complicated because of the long term contract.

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6 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

 

That's basically how I feel about Drouin. No question that Monahan is our best trade chip at the deadline with Edmundson #2. That is assuming they are healthy.  Anderson is certainly much more complicated because of the long term contract.

 

Monahan, Edmundson for sure.

 

Out of the outcasts, IMHO, Evans, Hoffman, Drouin, Dadonov could bring a surprising return like Lehkonen did. Emphasis on surprising.

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2 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:

 

Monahan, Edmundson for sure.

 

Out of the outcasts, IMHO, Evans, Hoffman, Drouin, Dadonov could bring a surprising return like Lehkonen did. Emphasis on surprising.

 

Evans is the only one of those four I see as potentially having value ... unless they get very hot, the surprising thing about the other three would be if they have any value beyond a 5th to 7th.

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Salary cap is an issue, the trade deadline is the only time these players may be moved:

Hoffman's shot a a PP specialist, may be in demand

(if healthy) Drouin's controlled entries and passing IQ may be in demand

Dadonov's cycling smarts and energy may be needed

 

Evans is as valuable as Lehks was, as a PK specialist

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Monahan is the big chip we have this year. 

 

I think Hoffman is more valuable than you guys are letting on.  Secondary scoring, and a good PP guy on the right team.  His biggest drawback is he has another year on his contract.  I would expect him to be traded next season, unless a great deal comes along.  Edmundson is in the same boat, but more valuable with his position and contract.

 

Drouin and Dadanov are going to have their contracts expire here, nobody wants either at a league minimum, let alone with the contracts they carry. 

 

I must of missed the memo on why we are getting rid of Evans.  He has 2 more years of a decent contract. 

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17 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said:

Monahan is the big chip we have this year. 

 

I think Hoffman is more valuable than you guys are letting on.  Secondary scoring, and a good PP guy on the right team.  His biggest drawback is he has another year on his contract.  I would expect him to be traded next season, unless a great deal comes along.  Edmundson is in the same boat, but more valuable with his position and contract.

 

Drouin and Dadanov are going to have their contracts expire here, nobody wants either at a league minimum, let alone with the contracts they carry. 

 

I must of missed the memo on why we are getting rid of Evans.  He has 2 more years of a decent contract. 

 

I do not know about others, but in my view:

* does not score,

* is too old to be part of the rebuild

* is not key enough to be kept around

* other centers are coming up in a couple of years

   => like Poehling was traded in a package

 

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13 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:

I do not know about others, but in my view:

* does not score,

* is too old to be part of the rebuild

* is not key enough to be kept around

* other centers are coming up in a couple of years

   => like Poehling was traded in a package

 

Generally speaking, someone who isn't scoring isn't someone who is going to fetch anything of value in return.  If they wind up moving Monahan (or even Dvorak), they're going to need Evans in the 3C role so I wouldn't be in a rush to move him.

 

As for the point that other centres are coming, they're not ready yet.  When they're ready, then move Evans.  Until then, he's a capable placeholder.

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18 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:

 

I do not know about others, but in my view:

* does not score,

* is too old to be part of the rebuild

* is not key enough to be kept around

* other centers are coming up in a couple of years

   => like Poehling was traded in a package

 

I'm agree with most of the points you are making.  I'm not sure how trading an affordable center with term now, on a team that is thin down the middle, helps for the centers coming up in a couple of years.  All it will accomplish is forcing one, or more, of the other centers to come up too early.  All for what? A later round pick?  We are going to potentially stunt the development, something we have all agreed Montreal has been guilty of for awhile, for a later round or throw in on a trade?

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1 hour ago, alfredoh2009 said:

Hoffman's shot a a PP specialist, may be in demand; not for anything of much value this year, that's for sure.

(if healthy) Drouin's controlled entries and passing IQ may be in demand Boat anchor of a player, no one will touch him, barring a hot streak from Jan till March, which aint happening. Lost cause for anything of value.

Dadonov's cycling smarts and energy may be needed, he looks to me, like career is over and off to KHL next year.

 

Evans is as valuable as Lehks was, as a PK specialist Evans wont be traded, as much a chance of that as Matheson being dealt, none.

None of these guys (or Armia, Gallagher, Allen) worth discussing in this thread...this year anyways.

 

Anderson, Monahan, Savard, Dvorak, Edmundson, Wideman (very late pick at most), seem most likely deadline targets for anything of value.

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1 minute ago, DON said:

None of these guys (or Armia, Gallagher, Allen) worth discussing in this thread...this year anyways.

 

Anderson, Monahan, Savard, Dvorak, Edmundson, Wideman (very late pick at most), seem most likely deadline targets for anything of value.

 

Monahan and Edmundson are a given

 

the others are fun to discuss if the forum is in the mood.

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2 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said:

 

Monahan and Edmundson are a given

 

the others are fun to discuss if the forum is in the mood.

Just dont seem realistic, much value to rebuild or in a trade package, but what do i really know.

 

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1 hour ago, DON said:

Just dont seem realistic, much value to rebuild or in a trade package, but what do i really know.

 

With Monahan it's not as difficult as some want it to be.  This team won't be ready to compete seriously for 2-4 more years, realistically closer to 3-4.  By the time the team is ready, will Monahan still be able to produce like he is now or even better?  If the answer isn't 100% yes, then his best value is as an asset. 

 

I'm not sold Edmundson is going anywhere this year.  As Brian pointed out, he has a year left on his deal, he's affordable and he's just in his prime now.  Anyone can be traded for the right package, and I believe Anderson and Edmundson are those players.  It'll be for a good package, not because it's this year and it's a rebuild.

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On 12/11/2022 at 5:38 PM, dlbalr said:

 

Generally speaking, I think the Habs have to pivot away from the idea of getting anything for Drouin.  If you're a playoff team, is Drouin the type of player you'd want in the lineup?  I don't think so.  Maybe if they retained 50% they could get a seventh-rounder but is that the best usage of a retention slot?  Their best shot at trading him is in a cap dump for cap dump type of trade.  Connections won't matter much on that front, it'll just be a matter of finding another player a team has had enough of.

 

Hoffman's tenure in St. Louis wasn't smooth at all to the point where he was a healthy scratch and they were more than happy to have him leave.  Plus, they're basically limited to rentals only as their cap space is tied to Scandella's LTIR.  Hoffman might be a player for player type of swap as well.

 

Seattle's capped out so a trade for Dadonov or Hoffman is unlikely.  Detroit might buy on Dadonov if they're in the mix and the asking price is low.

 

Philly likes Anderson but the cap makes it difficult.  Colorado can't afford Anderson's long-term contract.  They'll be in on Monahan though.

Salary caps are tight atm so in theory retaining salary slots are valuable but we didn't see a lot of third party retaining on trades at the previous deadline, despite the hype. If memory serves.

 

So I'm not honestly concerned about using slots for single year retainment when we have three open atm.

 

On Drouin. I think there are very few options out there.

 

the only opportunity to get something from Drouin is 50% retained. So I was thinking of replacing guys on a team that have a $2.75M cap hit and aren't fitting. Appleton makes sense to me because Winnipeg has a offensive winger hole in their top six, a top six that is basically just given offensive zone starts. Plus Winnipeg's bottom six has been fine without him, new young guys playing well, and he's having the rough season advanced stat wise.

 

For a move like that I thought a guy in management or coaching who may have faith in Drouin (I imagine no upstairs manager likes him from Tampa, Habs or Halifax times from holdouts and disappointing play here) so that leaves coaches from TB or HFX... Hence Bowness mattering.

 

I think that's our best shot at something in return. Then next year we flip Appleton retained. He is an NHLr who gets shots in close and is defensively responsible. He will get grabbed at 1.1M next trade deadline. Plus his rough season is mainly in the context of being slightly overpaid and a 4 SH% so retaining and him shooting average could get us a 4th next year? (Probably more than we'd get for Drouin). And Apple won't take top six minutes away from our young forwards (like Hoffmann or Drouin) to showcase.

 

Anyways I think that may be the best bet for Drouin? I couldn't find anything else haha.

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