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5 minutes ago, dlbalr said:

 

They might to have to put him back on waivers soon even with his recent performance.  Evander Kane is ahead of schedule so they're going to need to cut down to a minimum-sized roster to get cap-compliant to activate him from LTIR.  He's probably on the fringes right now.

 

I would be very surprised if they put him on waivers now. He has opened some eyes with his recent performance and he would be snapped up quickly. The Oilers will do some other juggling to avoid losing him for nothing. 

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I forgot about Kane. Good point 

 

From what I read, (links in post from yesterday) Lavoie got hurt last season and is just coming back from injury this season which may complain lack of production.

He has recently started playing well which makes him an interesting prospect like Dach was : IMHO

 

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45 minutes ago, dlbalr said:

 

They might to have to put him back on waivers soon even with his recent performance.  Evander Kane is ahead of schedule so they're going to need to cut down to a minimum-sized roster to get cap-compliant to activate him from LTIR.  He's probably on the fringes right now.

 

What is also interesting about Kostin is that in just 28 games he has become the Oilers 5th leading goal scorer. 

 

That also demonstrates a huge lack of secondary scoring on the Oilers once you get past the first 2 lines.  That will have to change if they hope to go anywhere. 

 

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Lavoie is nothing like Dach.  

 

Dach was a third overall pick.  Lavoie was drafted in the second round.


Dach had good rookie production in the NHL as an 18 year old before getting hurt, missing nearly a full season, and then having a rough year.   Lavoie is 22 years old, has never even played an NHL game and has yet to even have a good year in the AHL. 

 

Lavoie still played 56 games last year in the AHL even with that injury and only had 26 points. He has yet to even pass 0.5 PPG in the AHL and this is his third season there. 

 

Come on now.... 

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2 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

 

What is also interesting about Kostin is that in just 28 games he has become the Oilers 5th leading goal scorer. 

 

That also demonstrates a huge lack of secondary scoring on the Oilers once you get past the first 2 lines.  That will have to change if they hope to go anywhere. 

 

 

This seems very true, but the funny thing is that they got to the semi-finals with a team that basically has all these weaknesses: dodgy D-corps, mediocre netminding, inadequate secondary scoring. McDavid and Draisaitl cover such a multitude of sins that the team can be basically shite and still have a chance to “go somewhere.” 

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10 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said:

I don’t know much about true EDM prospects besides what I read in them.

if Broberg is untouchable, Bourgault or Savoie may also be out of reach for the Habs. Kostin is already in the NHL (I think). That leaves the inconsistent Lavoie.

 

Habs shed salary, lose a defensive specialist but gain a decent prospect alike Dach, Anderson or Armia. Habs could then sign Monahan and solidify their center depth

 

Just a thought

The untouchable reports aren't always definitive.  One effect of reporting a trade asset as untouchable is it inflates it's value.  With that, if Holland truly believes the Oilers will make a deep run in the playoffs, their 1st round pick (also reported as untouchable) will never have more value than it has right now, as the deeper the run, the closer it becomes to a 2nd round pick. 

 

If Montreal can get a return of Broberg from the Oilers, it also makes one of Harris or Xhekaj expendable.  I think Edmonton would be very interested in Xhekaj.  It adds some toughness and physicality that they have been searching for all season.  Although it would spread the LD situation a little thin in Montreal for this season, but it's not like they are trying to make the playoffs.

 

 

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1 hour ago, TurdBurglar said:

If Montreal can get a return of Broberg from the Oilers, it also makes one of Harris or Xhekaj expendable.  I think Edmonton would be very interested in Xhekaj.  It adds some toughness and physicality that they have been searching for all season.  Although it would spread the LD situation a little thin in Montreal for this season, but it's not like they are trying to make the playoffs.

 

I agree, Xhekaj would be better for EDM than Edmundson, on the long run. But for a playoff run, Edmundson is a better fit

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29 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:

 

I agree, Xhekaj would be better for EDM than Edmundson, on the long run. But for a playoff run, Edmundson is a better fit

 

I agree the Oilers are thinking shorter term and Edmundson is a better fit. I also don't think the Habs will trade Xhekaj because he brings something to the team no one else brings plus his true value hasn't been established yet. I am sure they want to continue to see him develop and not short change themselves by trading him too early if at all. 

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I wouldn’t be opposed to Edmundson and Xhekaj for Puljujarvi and Broberg, even if Montreal had to add something else like a late round or conditional pick, as long as it doesn’t include Montreal’s or Florida’s first.

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14 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said:

I wouldn’t be opposed to Edmundson and Xhekaj for Puljujarvi and Broberg, even if Montreal had to add something else like a late round or conditional pick, as long as it doesn’t include Montreal’s or Florida’s first.

Is Broberg that good?

The Finn is kinda a bust and pretty much dead weight isnt he?

 

 

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6 minutes ago, DON said:

Is Broberg that good?

The Finn is kinda a bust and pretty much dead weight isnt he?

 

 

He’s only 21 in his second season since his draft.  He’s at the top of the Oiler’s prospect list.

 

The consensus is he’s not NHL ready yet, but Edmonton hasn’t been the best defensive team to insulate him.  Edmonton has a history of expecting prospects to overachieve to make up for their massive roster holes, Petry and Dubnyk come to mind.

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15 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said:

He’s only 21 in his second season since his draft.  He’s at the top of the Oiler’s prospect list.

 

The consensus is he’s not NHL ready yet, but Edmonton hasn’t been the best defensive team to insulate him.  Edmonton has a history of expecting prospects to overachieve to make up for their massive roster holes, Petry and Dubnyk come to mind.

With 303 NHL games played I'm not certain Jesse Puljujarvi appears on any "prospects" lists for the Oilers ... by rumour, he has been available for trade for a good two years, and those rumours are moving more and more into "must be traded" to clear cap space ... I think attributing him any value would be doing Holland a favour.

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3 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

With 303 NHL games played I'm not certain Jesse Puljujarvi appears on any "prospects" lists for the Oilers ... 

I’m pretty sure TurdBurglar was referring to Broberg being at the top of their prospect list.

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4 minutes ago, tomh009 said:

I’m pretty sure TurdBurglar was referring to Broberg being at the top of their prospect list.

Apologies ... I reacted too quickly ... I agree that Borberg seems to be a legit prospect ... but back to the Edmundson and Xhekaj for Puljujarvi and Broberg proposal, I think my remaining comments are valid in the overall context.

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13 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

Apologies ... I reacted too quickly ... I agree that Borberg seems to be a legit prospect ... but back to the Edmundson and Xhekaj for Puljujarvi and Broberg proposal, I think my remaining comments are valid in the overall context.

Puljujarvi was added to the trade for cap purposes only.  It’s basically a trade to get Broberg.  I would have no expectation of Puljujarvi signing with Montreal after this season and he won’t be qualified by any team he gets a trade to.


With Guhle, Broberg, Harris and Xhekaj all LD, I believe Xhekaj is the odd-man out.  If that’s the case, he could be used as a sweetener in this trade.

 

I’m sure I’m not alone in believing Harris has a higher projection than Xhekaj.

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16 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said:

Puljujarvi was added to the trade for cap purposes only.  It’s basically a trade to get Broberg.  I would have no expectation of Puljujarvi signing with Montreal after this season and he won’t be qualified by any team he gets a trade to.


With Guhle, Broberg, Harris and Xhekaj all LD, I believe Xhekaj is the odd-man out.  If that’s the case, he could be used as a sweetener in this trade.

 

I’m sure I’m not alone in believing Harris has a higher projection than Xhekaj.

From all I have read, I am expecting the Oilers will have to "pay" to move Puljujarvi out, accepting him for cap purposes is IMO giving him value ... in any event, he may well not be available in this type of trade given the need for Edmonton to clear $5.125M to make room with Evander Kane reportedly coming off LTIR in the near future.

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21 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

From all I have read, I am expecting the Oilers will have to "pay" to move Puljujarvi out, accepting him for cap purposes is IMO giving him value ... in any event, he may well not be available in this type of trade given the need for Edmonton to clear $5.125M to make room with Evander Kane reportedly coming off LTIR in the near future.

Puljujarvi is of negative trade value.  In any trade scenario, the Oilers will be giving something else up to trade Puljujarvi.  If that weren’t the case they would of traded him for future considerations already.
 

As Edmonton didn’t add any cap since Kane was injured, I’m not sure how they would need to clear cap space for his return.  I’m not a cap expert though.  Perhaps Byron may be of interest to Edmonton as well.  I don’t think there’s any confirmation he will for sure return this season, only hopeful speculation.

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45 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

From all I have read, I am expecting the Oilers will have to "pay" to move Puljujarvi out, accepting him for cap purposes is IMO giving him value ... in any event, he may well not be available in this type of trade given the need for Edmonton to clear $5.125M to make room with Evander Kane reportedly coming off LTIR in the near future.

 

Isn't the 5.125M pro rated depending on how much time is left in the year?  

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5 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

Isn't the 5.125M pro rated depending on how much time is left in the year?  

 

When a player comes off LTIR the full-AAV goes back on the cap ... no pro-rating for LTIR ... think it was intended to prevent teams from "parking" players on LTIR to create cap space.

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18 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said:

As Edmonton didn’t add any cap since Kane was injured, I’m not sure how they would need to clear cap space for his return.  I’m not a cap expert though.  Perhaps Byron may be of interest to Edmonton as well.  I don’t think there’s any confirmation he will for sure return this season, only hopeful speculation.

Capfriendly has their current roster (23 players) at $75.1M. Add $750K for a non-roster player (Skinner), $750K for IR (Ryan), $750K for Lucic's retained salary and $3.4M for buyouts for a total of $80.7M. They can clear some money by sending Skinner and a roster player or two to AHL but it seems that it will only get them to about $79M.

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