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3 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

 

If they win the Cup again, the deal will be praised just like the Hagel trade was. The folly in this reasoning is that overpayment is overpayment. There’s no way you HAD to cough up all those picks for Jeannot, and the disbelief of other GMs is proof of that. This habit of overpaying will bite TB big-time once their current core is over the hill. Just dumb.

 

Hagel can actually play hockey.  Jeannot is just a meathead.

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46 minutes ago, DON said:

Rangers/Sather tried this strategy and traded away 1st round and other picks left and right and made it to 1 finals.

Before Gorton gave the fans the notice we are cleaning house...which Tampa likely do in a couple years...but is ALL GOOD for the, say 2026-28 Habs i would think.

 

Seems lots of futures going from eastern team to the West.:thumbs_up:

 

His argument that the picks wont help his current core is correct.  Inagree with him on this part, go all in and win as many cups as you can while you can and rebuild later.

 

What i dont agree is that you needed to give all those picks for jeannot.

 

The leafs just traded for mccabe and lafferty, two better players than Jeannot and gave a similar (possibly even smaller) package.

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9 hours ago, Commandant said:

His argument that the picks wont help his current core is correct.  Inagree with him on this part, go all in and win as many cups as you can while you can and rebuild later.

 

What i dont agree is that you needed to give all those picks for jeannot.

 

The leafs just traded for mccabe and lafferty, two better players than Jeannot and gave a similar (possibly even smaller) package.

The hardest thing to understand about this deal is that the return for Kane will probably be less than this. 

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8 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said:

The hardest thing to understand about this deal is that the return for Kane will probably be less than this. 

Given that Kane seems to be in NYR or bust mode, the 'Hawks have absolutely no leverage.

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9 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said:

The hardest thing to understand about this deal is that the return for Kane will probably be less than this. 

 

Thats not hard to understand at all.  Kane had choosen one team hes willing to.waive his NT for.

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21 hours ago, Commandant said:

His argument that the picks wont help his current core is correct.  Inagree with him on this part, go all in and win as many cups as you can while you can and rebuild later.

 

What i dont agree is that you needed to give all those picks for jeannot.

 

The leafs just traded for mccabe and lafferty, two better players than Jeannot and gave a similar (possibly even smaller) package.

 

Yeah…sometimes fans act as though accumulating picks is, in itself, winning. In fact it’s a long way from winning anything, and a team is crazy to cling to picks rather than add an asset that will help them win right now. Genuine contenders have to be all-in. (The big error teams make is in dealing away picks when they’re really just bubble teams).

 

What I don’t understand is shrugging and overpaying, then rationalizing it on the grounds that picks are all hypothetical assets.

 

BriseBois has simply gotten fleeced at the trade table for two consecutive deadlines and is trying to rationalize it by saying picks don’t matter. 

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Great to see Guhle & Edmundson in contact jersey's yesterday.

 

But, Edmundson was playing like crap when he has dressed this year anyways.

 

How will the new Russian do on Suzuki's line and Harvey-Pinard do with Drouin as a centre?

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4 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

 

That’s great, but let’s see how it sustains itself when people start to expect wins. 

Which ISNT anytime in near future. 

So i dont get the negativity?

 

You want more wins this year or something?

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1 hour ago, DON said:

Which ISNT anytime in near future. 

So i dont get the negativity?

 

You want more wins this year or something?

 

Not at all...it's definitely a good thing that there are positive vibes. I'm just saying that they are heavily conditioned by the complete absence of pressure around this group. It's like when a bad team goes on a little run of winning after they've been eliminated from the playoffs: lovely but totally irrelevant to anything that matters. 

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Don’t understand some of the recent trades…

 

Ghost-bear for third rounder. Chychrun for to the Sens for less ”litte” when comparing what the Oilers gave for Ekholm.

 

Eller for a second rounder…

… And the Leafs paid WHAT for Gustafsson?!

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18 minutes ago, ch_nl said:

Don’t understand some of the recent trades…

 

Ghost-bear for third rounder. Chychrun for to the Sens for less ”litte” when comparing what the Oilers gave for Ekholm.

 

Eller for a second rounder…

… And the Leafs paid WHAT for Gustafsson?!

 

Arizona has no need for Gostisbehere so they took the best pick they could get without salary retention as money (not cap but actual spending dollars)  is getting tight for them.  They couldn't get the prospect package they wanted for Chychrun so they opted for picks over pricier players.  They didn't want an Edmonton-like return where they had to take Barrie's contract back.

 

Eller for a second-rounder isn't crazy.  The centre market is pretty thin at the moment and he could play 2C or 3C for them.  They paid a bit more to get partial retention as well.

 

The Leafs traded Sandin for a first-round pick with Gustafsson as the throw-in.  The first-round pick was the target, Gustafsson is a depth piece for them if he's still there after the trade deadline.

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4 hours ago, Neech said:

Wouldn't Sandin still be worth a late 1st at the draft? Should the Leafs have kept him for depth in the playoffs?

They did get a late first-round pick. Plus Gustafsson for depth (this year only), and an extra $600K of cap space. This is definitely a win for the Leafs (and the Caps, too).

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FINALLY!!! Bruins finally had to pay market value for one of their top guys! $11.25m deal for Pastrnak!

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12 hours ago, Neech said:

Wouldn't Sandin still be worth a late 1st at the draft? Should the Leafs have kept him for depth in the playoffs?

 

They wouldn't have had the cap space to activate Matt Murray off LTIR.  They had to clear space, hence this and the Engvall trade. 

Even if you figure Samsonov is the starter, you wouldn't want Murray to sit until the playoffs and be one play away from having to play his first game in months in the playoffs. 

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8 minutes ago, Commandant said:

 

They wouldn't have had the cap space to activate Matt Murray off LTIR.  They had to clear space, hence this and the Engvall trade. 

Even if you figure Samsonov is the starter, you wouldn't want Murray to sit until the playoffs and be one play away from having to play his first game in months in the playoffs. 

I would.

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