Commandant Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 3 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: If they win the Cup again, the deal will be praised just like the Hagel trade was. The folly in this reasoning is that overpayment is overpayment. There’s no way you HAD to cough up all those picks for Jeannot, and the disbelief of other GMs is proof of that. This habit of overpaying will bite TB big-time once their current core is over the hill. Just dumb. Hagel can actually play hockey. Jeannot is just a meathead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 46 minutes ago, DON said: Rangers/Sather tried this strategy and traded away 1st round and other picks left and right and made it to 1 finals. Before Gorton gave the fans the notice we are cleaning house...which Tampa likely do in a couple years...but is ALL GOOD for the, say 2026-28 Habs i would think. Seems lots of futures going from eastern team to the West. His argument that the picks wont help his current core is correct. Inagree with him on this part, go all in and win as many cups as you can while you can and rebuild later. What i dont agree is that you needed to give all those picks for jeannot. The leafs just traded for mccabe and lafferty, two better players than Jeannot and gave a similar (possibly even smaller) package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 Leafs have no picks for quite some time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 Boston, Leafs, Tampa, who will be left standing in late May? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted February 27, 2023 Author Share Posted February 27, 2023 1 hour ago, DON said: Boston, Leafs, Tampa, who will be left standing in late May? Boston plus the team that will lose in the conference finals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 9 hours ago, Commandant said: His argument that the picks wont help his current core is correct. Inagree with him on this part, go all in and win as many cups as you can while you can and rebuild later. What i dont agree is that you needed to give all those picks for jeannot. The leafs just traded for mccabe and lafferty, two better players than Jeannot and gave a similar (possibly even smaller) package. The hardest thing to understand about this deal is that the return for Kane will probably be less than this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 8 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said: The hardest thing to understand about this deal is that the return for Kane will probably be less than this. Given that Kane seems to be in NYR or bust mode, the 'Hawks have absolutely no leverage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 9 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said: The hardest thing to understand about this deal is that the return for Kane will probably be less than this. Thats not hard to understand at all. Kane had choosen one team hes willing to.waive his NT for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 21 hours ago, Commandant said: His argument that the picks wont help his current core is correct. Inagree with him on this part, go all in and win as many cups as you can while you can and rebuild later. What i dont agree is that you needed to give all those picks for jeannot. The leafs just traded for mccabe and lafferty, two better players than Jeannot and gave a similar (possibly even smaller) package. Yeah…sometimes fans act as though accumulating picks is, in itself, winning. In fact it’s a long way from winning anything, and a team is crazy to cling to picks rather than add an asset that will help them win right now. Genuine contenders have to be all-in. (The big error teams make is in dealing away picks when they’re really just bubble teams). What I don’t understand is shrugging and overpaying, then rationalizing it on the grounds that picks are all hypothetical assets. BriseBois has simply gotten fleeced at the trade table for two consecutive deadlines and is trying to rationalize it by saying picks don’t matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Great to see Guhle & Edmundson in contact jersey's yesterday. But, Edmundson was playing like crap when he has dressed this year anyways. How will the new Russian do on Suzuki's line and Harvey-Pinard do with Drouin as a centre? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 Sounds good at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 1 hour ago, DON said: Sounds good at least. That’s great, but let’s see how it sustains itself when people start to expect wins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 4 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: That’s great, but let’s see how it sustains itself when people start to expect wins. Which ISNT anytime in near future. So i dont get the negativity? You want more wins this year or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 1 hour ago, DON said: Which ISNT anytime in near future. So i dont get the negativity? You want more wins this year or something? Not at all...it's definitely a good thing that there are positive vibes. I'm just saying that they are heavily conditioned by the complete absence of pressure around this group. It's like when a bad team goes on a little run of winning after they've been eliminated from the playoffs: lovely but totally irrelevant to anything that matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 Seems has been a lovefest since last Feb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch_nl Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Don’t understand some of the recent trades… Ghost-bear for third rounder. Chychrun for to the Sens for less ”litte” when comparing what the Oilers gave for Ekholm. Eller for a second rounder… … And the Leafs paid WHAT for Gustafsson?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 18 minutes ago, ch_nl said: Don’t understand some of the recent trades… Ghost-bear for third rounder. Chychrun for to the Sens for less ”litte” when comparing what the Oilers gave for Ekholm. Eller for a second rounder… … And the Leafs paid WHAT for Gustafsson?! Arizona has no need for Gostisbehere so they took the best pick they could get without salary retention as money (not cap but actual spending dollars) is getting tight for them. They couldn't get the prospect package they wanted for Chychrun so they opted for picks over pricier players. They didn't want an Edmonton-like return where they had to take Barrie's contract back. Eller for a second-rounder isn't crazy. The centre market is pretty thin at the moment and he could play 2C or 3C for them. They paid a bit more to get partial retention as well. The Leafs traded Sandin for a first-round pick with Gustafsson as the throw-in. The first-round pick was the target, Gustafsson is a depth piece for them if he's still there after the trade deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch_nl Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 I thougt the Leafs PAID the first rounder to get Gustafsson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 1 hour ago, ch_nl said: I thougt the Leafs PAID the first rounder to get Gustafsson? Nope. The trade was Sandin to Washington for Boston's first-round pick (acquired when they traded Orlov) and Gustafsson. https://www.nhl.com/capitals/news/capitals-acquire-rasmus-sandin-from-the-toronto-maple-leafs/c-341627642 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Wouldn't Sandin still be worth a late 1st at the draft? Should the Leafs have kept him for depth in the playoffs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted March 2, 2023 Author Share Posted March 2, 2023 4 hours ago, Neech said: Wouldn't Sandin still be worth a late 1st at the draft? Should the Leafs have kept him for depth in the playoffs? They did get a late first-round pick. Plus Gustafsson for depth (this year only), and an extra $600K of cap space. This is definitely a win for the Leafs (and the Caps, too). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 FINALLY!!! Bruins finally had to pay market value for one of their top guys! $11.25m deal for Pastrnak! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 1 hour ago, hab29RETIRED said: FINALLY!!! Bruins finally had to pay market value for one of their top guys! $11.25m deal for Pastrnak! McAvoy at $9.5M for eight years didn't already qualify? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 12 hours ago, Neech said: Wouldn't Sandin still be worth a late 1st at the draft? Should the Leafs have kept him for depth in the playoffs? They wouldn't have had the cap space to activate Matt Murray off LTIR. They had to clear space, hence this and the Engvall trade. Even if you figure Samsonov is the starter, you wouldn't want Murray to sit until the playoffs and be one play away from having to play his first game in months in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 8 minutes ago, Commandant said: They wouldn't have had the cap space to activate Matt Murray off LTIR. They had to clear space, hence this and the Engvall trade. Even if you figure Samsonov is the starter, you wouldn't want Murray to sit until the playoffs and be one play away from having to play his first game in months in the playoffs. I would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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