Trade Barron traded to Nashville for Carrier

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

I really don't see much if any downside here. Barron was never going to have the opportunity here to develop his offensive game and Carrier was playing 20 minutes a night in Nashville. He has 2 more years on his contract which means we have 2 more years to evaluate whether Mailloux and Reinbacher will be solid contributors for the Habs. We have the cap room and can decide after 2 years whether to keep Carrier or not. He just turned 28 so he has a number of good years left. Plus if a contender is hot after Savard and makes an offer Hughes can't turn down then having Carrier makes it easier to make the trade.  I like this trade. 

[GHT120]

2 hours ago, Lanes World said:

Carrier’s agent is the  brother of Vincent Lecavalier

So they shouldn't have made the trade?  

[GHT120]

This deal reduces any urgency (perceived or actual) of trying to extend Savard simply to have a veteran RHD next season.

[Lanes World]

21 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

So they shouldn't have made the trade?  

Where did I say that. 
 

I don’t love the trade, but for Hughes to get a RHD who can play….win

[Lanes World]

21 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

This deal reduces any urgency (perceived or actual) of trying to extend Savard simply to have a veteran RHD next season.

True

[Prime Minister Koivu]

[Dalhabs]

19 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:

Should have a decent chance to be the greatest #45 in habs history. Maybe not better than Dionne.

[tomh009]

1 hour ago, GHT120 said:

So they shouldn't have made the trade?  

I rather think the point is that the Habs management team may have had additional/early insight into this trade opportunity.

[xXx..CK..xXx]

4 minutes ago, Dalhabs said:

Should have a decent chance to be the greatest #45 in habs history. Maybe not better than Dionne.

In a snap of a finger timeframe the first #45 I thought of was Arron Asham… and we’ve had 8 #45s since. 9 now with Carrier.

[GHT120]

1 hour ago, Lanes World said:

Where did I say that. 
 

I don’t love the trade, but for Hughes to get a RHD who can play….win

Then what relevance does Carrier’s agent being the brother of Vincent Lecavalier have?

[GHT120]

14 minutes ago, tomh009 said:

I rather think the point is that the Habs management team may have had additional/early insight into this trade opportunity.

Fair point ... if so, that would have been useful context in the initial post.

[GHT120]

18 minutes ago, Dalhabs said:

Should have a decent chance to be the greatest #45 in habs history. Maybe not better than Dionne.

Jocelyn Lemieux 1989-1990
Gilbert Dionne 1991-1995
Arron Asham 1999-2002
Corey Locke 2008
Alexandre Picard 2011
Mike Blunden 2012-2014
Mark Barberio 2016-2017
Joseph Morrow 2018
Kerby Rychel 2018
Riley Barber 2020
Laurent Dauphin 2022
Alexandre Carrier 2025

 

Certainly does have a decent chance, but it is a fairly low bar

[Prime Minister Koivu]

Welcome to scratchville Mr. Struble

[BCHabnut]

3 hours ago, Dalhabs said:

Should have a decent chance to be the greatest #45 in habs history. Maybe not better than Dionne.

First player i thought of as well.

[Helmethead]

9 hours ago, GHT120 said:

Jocelyn Lemieux 1989-1990
Gilbert Dionne 1991-1995
Arron Asham 1999-2002
Corey Locke 2008
Alexandre Picard 2011
Mike Blunden 2012-2014
Mark Barberio 2016-2017
Joseph Morrow 2018
Kerby Rychel 2018
Riley Barber 2020
Laurent Dauphin 2022
Alexandre Carrier 2025

 

Certainly does have a decent chance, but it is a fairly low bar

Man that’s a sorry ass list. 
 

 

[Prime Minister Koivu]

Found this funny picture on twitter that was referencing the last time Montreal and Nashville traded defenders. 
 

 

[DON]

Well, we shall see in 6 hours how the new kid looks.

Marty sounds pretty pumped.

 

In the Carrier deal, the Habs chose predictability over potential – Hab At Her

"The result, on many nights, was the coach’s decision to ice five left shots on the blue line, and this was less than ideal. Martin St. Louis acknowledged this challenge publicly."

Barron’s timidity probably hurt him.

"He’s a big man, but he plays small. There is no doubt he was given this message – after a game or two in the press box he was inclined to throw some hits when he returned. But his hesitancy to take a big hit in order to make an important play became too visible too often."

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/trade-for-alex-carrier-a-no-brainer-for-canadiens/

"The Canadiens, who were counting on David Savard as their only other right-handed defenceman, scratched Barron in favour of playing two left-handers out of position in 11 of 31 games this season. He missed three more games with a concussion and, when he was healthy enough to play, he was used sparingly."

 

"“I think it makes our group back there deeper bringing that experience that he has,” St. Louis said. “I think it helps the PK. I think it helps how to manage the bench on the road. I think it gives us depth to come in waves more and not feel worried about matchups so much because I know he can play against top lines. So, I think it’s going to help us.” "

 

[Prime Minister Koivu]

35 minutes ago, DON said:

Well, we shall see in 6 hours how the new kid looks.

Marty sounds pretty pumped.

 

In the Carrier deal, the Habs chose predictability over potential – Hab At Her

"The result, on many nights, was the coach’s decision to ice five left shots on the blue line, and this was less than ideal. Martin St. Louis acknowledged this challenge publicly."

Barron’s timidity probably hurt him.

"He’s a big man, but he plays small. There is no doubt he was given this message – after a game or two in the press box he was inclined to throw some hits when he returned. But his hesitancy to take a big hit in order to make an important play became too visible too often."

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/trade-for-alex-carrier-a-no-brainer-for-canadiens/

"The Canadiens, who were counting on David Savard as their only other right-handed defenceman, scratched Barron in favour of playing two left-handers out of position in 11 of 31 games this season. He missed three more games with a concussion and, when he was healthy enough to play, he was used sparingly."

 

"“I think it makes our group back there deeper bringing that experience that he has,” St. Louis said. “I think it helps the PK. I think it helps how to manage the bench on the road. I think it gives us depth to come in waves more and not feel worried about matchups so much because I know he can play against top lines. So, I think it’s going to help us.” "

 

Not exactly kind words on Barron. 
 

A big man that plays like a wimp 

[DON]

1 hour ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:

Not exactly kind words on Barron. 

Ya, he could of a bit nicer, or simply not spoken of Barron's faults.

Thanks Justin and I wish him well was all that was needed, it seems.

But folks seem to like candid coaches like Marty or Torts, than the more politically correct NHL clichés. 

[Commandant]

1 minute ago, DON said:

Ya, he could of a bit nicer, or simply not spoken of Barron's faults.

Thanks Justin and I wish him well was all that was needed, it seems.

But folks seem to like candid coaches like Marty or Torts, than the more politically correct NHL clichés. 

 

That isnt a quote from St. Louis though.  Its what the writer of the article said 

[DON]

2 minutes ago, Commandant said:

 

That isnt a quote from St. Louis though.  Its what the writer of the article said 

This isnt a quote?

 

"“I think it makes our group back there deeper bringing that experience that he has,” St. Louis said. “I think it helps the PK. I think it helps how to manage the bench on the road. I think it gives us depth to come in waves more and not feel worried about matchups so much because I know he can play against top lines. So, I think it’s going to help us.” "

[Commandant]

37 minutes ago, DON said:

This isnt a quote?

 

"“I think it makes our group back there deeper bringing that experience that he has,” St. Louis said. “I think it helps the PK. I think it helps how to manage the bench on the road. I think it gives us depth to come in waves more and not feel worried about matchups so much because I know he can play against top lines. So, I think it’s going to help us.” "

 

I was referring to PMK saying "Not exactly kind words on Barron.  A big man that plays like a wimp" 

 

 

And this ""He’s a big man, but he plays small. There is no doubt he was given this message – after a game or two in the press box he was inclined to throw some hits when he returned. But his hesitancy to take a big hit in order to make an important play became too visible too often."

to say that isn't a quote from St. Louis. 

 

Yours is the actual quote, but no where does St. Louis say he's a big man that plays small.  That's from reporters, not the coach. 

[Prime Minister Koivu]

It has only been two games but so far Carrier looks good. Considering that Carrier was activated from injured reserve on the day he was traded, he is probably going to get even better. 
 

I feel like we traded a guy that can’t make the roster for a guy that is going to play top 4 minutes. 
 

Good job Hughes

[DON]

Most seem happy with deal, some question Kovaavecvic being dealt away, or Lehkonen trade, which 1st is fair, 2nd more hindsight (Lehkonen would most likely not put up same offense in montreal is my feeling, isnt a skilled top-6 guy Habs still need more of and got Carrier & a 2nd (G-Carter George-LA) for him.) 

 

Writers Weigh In: Discussing the Carrier-Barron Trade – HabsWorld.net

 

"This summer, what the Habs should have done is kept Jonathan Kovacevic and traded Justin Barron."

 

"Carrier is in the right place at the right time for this team. Barron was not. Kudos for a good hockey trade."

 

 "But for what Montreal needs today and over the next couple of years, Carrier is the better fit for them."

 

"...this is a step in the right direction in my opinion and one that should provide a boost to the current group who get an addition instead of the steady departures of the last few seasons."

 

"But somewhere along the way, management made a big mistake in asset management in moving Kovacevic"

 

"I am ecstatic about the Canadiens moving Barron out of Montreal, and the return for him was a good one."

 

"It aligns with the ongoing rebuild, the team departs with a player who no longer fits into the future vision, and they gain a veteran defenceman who can help mentor some of their young talent."

 

"Carrier has the opportunity to serve as a stable veteran presence and play around 20 minutes per game for the next few years.  With his contract expiring in 2027, Carrier may well serve as a bridge until Reinbacher and Mailloux are ready for the show."
 

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

If Barron becomes a legit top-4 defenceman, then we lose this trade in the long run.

 

Not every trade is about the long run, however, even on a rebuilding team. 

 

Fair point about Kovacevic, though - although again, hardly anyone on this board saw his departure as a problem, so it’s hard to finger-wag at Hugo over that one. Also Carrier seems to be a better player, on the whole, than Kovacevic.