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Okay, enough is enough. Clearly, the light approach isn't working as it continues to escalate on both sides. Alfredo, why you continue to poke the bear makes no sense. All you're doing is asking for trouble and making the mods' lives harder. Give it up. Put him on ignore, or don't engage. I don't care what you choose, I just care that it ends now. Commandant, while I realize you have been provoked (quite a bit), your response also clearly isn't acceptable, just as the provocation on the other end wasn't either. I barely have time to be on here and I'd like what little time I have to spend actually discussing the Habs, you know, the purpose of this forum. Like many on here (as we're receiving feedback with complaints about both of you), I'm fed up with this as I'm sure you guys are as well. We tried the polite way and hoped that this could be a squabble that cooler heads would eventually prevail but that's not happening. I have no interest in getting into the behind the scenes discussions of proportional suspensions that will only stall the problem and again, I also don't have the time. So while you are both valuable posters here, this is a final warning. If this continues, from either of you, it's not going to be a suspension but a more permanent departure from the board. It's not the outcome I want for sure, nor admittedly is it fair; this is more heavy-handed than I want. But this can't continue to be a drag on the forum and one way or the other, it needs to stop and this is the most direct way to do that.

Been to more than my share of games here in Boston. As much as I wholeheartedly dislike the bruins I equally respect the team and their history as well. Treat them with respect and they will return the favor. (Having my kid with me helps too)

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Guys… this has all dragged on too long (the little bout between @Commandantand @WildTurkeyXX) I respect the fact you both have strong opinions and are willing to defend them. But this whole thing is childish, this is a forum to talk hockey not berade each other for character in which neither of you truly learned any of the others. Please drop it so this forum can stay pure hockey. 👍 &nbsp

We fleeced them... badly.

You think that’s bad ass.. Get a load of this! Security came up to me right before the game and asked if they could “borrow” my kid.

my kid..(and me next to him)

Next season is a stronger draft, but I reiterate if we keep getting good, young talent for picks I’m happy for them to be dealt. I think HuGo have demonstrated that they are looking long term to build a sustainable contender. If they were trading picks for older players I would not be happy unless we were a serious threat to win the Cup

It doesn’t matter how you rank them. Montreal simply has too many draft picks and prospects not to use them in the strategic way that they did in this draft. We need to keep in mind that there is a 50 contract limit. From getting Dobson for Heineman and two picks to giving up picks to get the player they were targeting, HuGo ran a masterclass on leveraging picks and areas of strength to make the team stronger. You say you hope they don’t continue to trade picks. I hope that they do as long as the trades continue to be measured, strategic and bringing back excellent value. Picks are not the end goal. Using picks to build a Stanley Cup contender is the goal and picks and prospects need not always be retained to achieve it.

I expect pretty close, maybe only one zero less!

From Pierre Lebrun's athletic column today Habs GM Kent Hughes is leaving no stone unturned in surveying the forward market and trying to line up potential trade scenarios for this week and perhaps into the summer. The search for a No. 2 center might be too hard this offseason, so a compromise might be a top-six winger with pop. Some of those calls Hughes is making are in that direction. Montreal, armed with the No. 16 and No. 17 picks Friday night, is trying to find a partner who would be interested in a picks/prospects package. But the Canadiens aren’t going to force it. If the price to attain a top-six difference maker is out of their comfort zone and hurts their long-term planning, they’re willing to stay patient, whether that means an in-season trade or even next summer. The No. 1 priority, as Basu wrote, is to become a long-term contender that takes multiple swings at a title over time. The priority is absolutely not about making sure they make a short-term swing just to make the playoffs again next year. The longer-term view wins out.

One of the potentially greatest outcome would be him winning a cup in Montreal!! Not only would we get our 25th cup, but imagine the angst and outrage in Toronto of seeing Tavares win in Montreal - they would be furious at Toronto management and ownership!!

Draisaitl is one of the most clutch players in the NHL. The counter argument seems to be that no one is clutch but only great. From that standpoint, it’s easy to dismiss every statement in regards to him because in reality he is a great player. With that being said, one can be a great player and clutch at the same time. The conversation seems to have taken a specific route into the definition of clutch relating to how someone performs in the regular season versus the playoffs but it’s more than that. It’s the mental state of how someone performs when there are key moments within a specific game. In one sense, all 60 minutes are equally important. In the other sense, there’s the shift where the game is on the line for both teams. There are plenty of good and skillful players who one wouldn’t necessarily want out in those moments. On the other hand, there are also less skillful players who one would want out on the ice because they seem to perform in those moments. To me, it’s not purely about a statistic but more-so a mindset. Because that mindset is not necessarily quantifiable, it’s easy to dismiss that it exists. There are plenty of players who suffer from mental health issues in professional sports, so it’s a lazy argument to state that the world has weeded out the mentally weak once it comes to professional sports and not true because once again, there are many different variables that make up a professional player. One may have the skill but not the mental ability to perform under pressure. One may have skill but lack the tactical and strategic defensive mindset of a clutch player on defense. There’s no one definition of what a clutch player is, but they do definitely exist. In terms of who is clutch, I could see how that is debatable. Here is a list of players who scored important goals this year. “Game ending goals”, “late game winning goals”, “game winning goals”, “late game tying goals”, “game tying goals” were some of the criteria used in determining who was clutch when it came to scoring important goals for their team this year. Are they all great players? Sure. Are players like Wilson, Rossi, Boldy, or even Nick Suzuki top 10 players in the league when it comes to “greatness”? Possibly? Swinging back to Draisaitl. He is at the top of the list. He is a great player but so is McDavid who doesn’t appear. The next player on the list was Marner, and that’s where the debate surrounding what clutch means comes into play because some argue that players like Marner cannot elevate their game in the playoffs, however it turns out that he scored important goals for his team this year, and he also scored an important overtime goal for Canada in the 4 nations cup. McDavid also scored the game winning goal for Canada at the 4 nations vs USA but is he clutch, or was being surrounded by other great players beneficial to both players discussed in this paragraph? I do believe there could be some variance when it comes to clutch related statistics and that it can be a somewhat difficult thing to measure. With that being said, I do believe it exists in sport and denying it is like saying not a single player feels pressure prior to the game. Yes, even professionals feel pressure and while some thrive off of it, others can be impacted. Just off the top of my head, Hellebuyck is an example that comes to mind in the reverse sense of being clutch and handling pressure. Anyway, like you said it’s a topic that has been beaten to death but it all stems from one’s perception of what clutch even means. If it’s based off of a specific mindset, then it exists. There are simply toooooo many circumstances where clutch can be used to deny that it fully exists. Clutch can be elevating your game when the games are more important (playoffs, game 7, etc.). It can be a player who seemingly makes key defensive plays when the game is on the line. It can even be a player who raises their game when the going gets tough, period. While all NHL players are professional athletes, not every single one of them has a growth mindset. A player with a fixed mindset, will think things like “I can’t” whereas a player with a growth mindset will believe “they can”. I already know that the rebuttal will be that all professional athletes have a growth mindset and that’s why they are professionals but considering my profession is being an athlete turned coach, I can say with 100% certainty that it isn’t the case. Most are, but some got where they are with pure skill rather than that elite mindset. If these negative thoughts creep into a professional’s mind, and they do, then the reverse is possible as well.

That's easier to say now with hindsight but at the time, Primeau had a 2.00 GAA and a .932 SV% in 70 NCAA games with many suggesting that there wasn't much benefit sending him back to school to play a 35-game season against weaker competition, similar to the argument of why the Habs needed to sign Fowler this year as there wasn't much left to prove. A goalie turning pro at 20 is normal if he was drafted out of the CHL so was turning Primeau pro at 20 really rushing him?

He handled the question with some class, I would take Tom Wilson on my team any day of the week.

1. If you’re going to disregard the rule book for an admittedly egregious error, then you have to find some fairness. Laine should have been able to shoot again. I would expect there to be significant discussion, if Montreal misses the playoffs, about compensation for how this went down. I could see an extra pick sent our way. 2. I’m stunned by all the bitching by fans about MSL and the players and what we should have done, could have done etc etc. Go back to late November and ask yourself how you would have felt seeing this team fighting for the playoffs in the last games of the season. The *only* reason we’re here is MSL and his coaching and enabling of the players both on and off the ice. This team is, what, the second youngest in the league? We’ve done, by far, the best rebuild of any team I’ve seen recently. Three years from garbage to a team that’s on the cusp of great things. Stop whining and enjoy the ride!

What I don’t get is the implication that contempt for Putin and Trump, and disgust for these players who kiss their asses, is somehow controversial. This isn’t like Carney vs Poilievre. Putin is a murderous dictator who has caused untold death and suffering through a completely unjustified war of aggression. Trump is wreaking huge damage on Canada with idiotic tariffs and repeatedly threatening our very existence as a sovereign state. I can’t fathom why it would be controversial to call out these a**holes and their supporters on this board. That being said, I didn’t mean to make a big thing out of this. I’ve made my point and won’t keep banging on about it.

Looking forward to this game. Will be there with my son. We have seats in the lower bowl, 1st row just to the right of the home side. So we will be on the Habs attack zone for two periods. First chance to see Hutson live. Hopefully he will get a 2-3 point game and the first line racks up some points. Will be pulling out my Habs away jersey that I haven’t worn in a long time Mitchell & Ness vintage 1992-93 season, Patrick Roy all star jersey, with the Roy “the wink” socks! My son will be wearing a Price jersey.

Trade deadline is the saddest day of the year for some hockey players. They learn that their childhood dream of winning the Stanley Cup is delayed another year when TSN announces that they have been traded to the Toronto Maple Leafs.

The fans didn't boo the players. They booed the anthem of a country that is waging economic war on us and threatening to annex us.

I miss both of these guys and the triple low fives too

My dad got some tickets via his job (he does guided tours at the Bell Centre as a retirement job) for the Sweden vs Finland game on Saturday. 106, CC (3rd row from the board), for free. Insane tickets !!!

Game was ok. They desperately needed to score on that PP with 10 min to go in the 3rd. Stuck in traffic so I can’t write much bur holy shit does Slaf look lost and disinterested. Here are two of the coolest moments of the day..

F$&k it. I’m making the 2hr drive to watch Lane. Worth every mile.

as per dlbalr "At first glance, it appears as if Lindstrom could fill the role we suggested for him back in July when assessing the rest of the UFA market for defencemen, that of a veteran blueliner to help Laval while being someone they can comfortably bring up as a seventh defender so as to not have a younger player serving as a healthy scratch."

Agree, but I'm totally happy with his decision to pound the living snot out of that bum. And I say this thinking the hit probably was unintentional. There *is* a deterrent effect to knowing that if you go after our stars, Xhekaj is coming for you. And that message was definitely sent last night.

Commandant isn’t being condescending or rude to you at all. Commandant is an intelligent, passionate poster that challenges other people’s opinions with reasonable arguments. Commandant deals heavily in facts and data and will challenge anyone that doesn’t. I don’t always agree with him and I have been challenged by him. I have never once felt attacked or talked down to by him and I don’t think he is doing that to you either. Keep sharing your opinions Butter as you have already generated lots of discussion, just don’t take things personally.

Could EVERYONE please just walk-away and stop discussing who said what about who, or about what, concerning this ... please

Frankly, I think we should move Xhejac to the wing. You can’t have a dman that sits in the penalty box 5+ min every 2 or 3 games.

Hard to argue with that. The Hutson pick has transformed the rebuild. Imagine us without him…we’d be waiting desperately for Reinbacher or Mailloux to save us within 2 years. Instead, we have a team that is already pretty good, and our discussion is turning to how we can elevate to contender status.

The SKA contract ends on 31 May, so Demidov could arrive in time to help the Habs take on the Jets in the Final. 😊

Of course there is a place here for political discourse. HW used to be full of it, though much of it was from people too young to really know what they were talking about 20+ years ago, haha. But there is an entire sub-forum for non-hockey related conversations. Ovechkin chasing Gretzky's record is hockey talk. Ovechkin and Gretzky's politics is not. Let's just make that the line. https://forums.habsworld.net/index.php?/forum/12-the-lounge/

Just for some perspective ... Primeau is 10-1 since being sent to Laval, with a .910 save percentage. During the same time period, Connor Hughes is 3-1-1, but with a .924 save percentage.

“We aren’t top tier contenders” - That has simply been a true statement almost every year since 1993 ... even in our one Finals run we couldn't have been described as "top tier contenders" ... that was a classic "make the playoffs and anything can happen (occasionally) scenario ”We are in a rebuild that will take 3 years” - this is really the first time the habs have been in a rebuild since 1993 ... most they ever did previously was bandage, at most re-tool ... but 3 years is an estimate from the quasi-realistic fans who know what is needed but lack the patience for it to come to fruition ... I-M-O that fits the major on-the-fly re-tool category. ”We are a bubble team at best” - see "top tier contenders" ”Tank for Frank” - those are people asking for a rebuild, we finally got one ... no guarantee of success, but the last 30 years have pretty much been the "make the playoffs and anything can happen" approach ... how is that any better ”Trade our veteran for a 3rd rounder” - nobody ever asked for a GOOD veteran that could realistically make the team even a legitimate contender to be traded, let alone for a 3rd rounder While “We aren’t ready to contend for a cup yet” can become a fixed mindset (may the case in Buffalo tanks to their poor hirings and constant turnover at GM/HC) in the context of the current rebuild I-M-O it is simply an honest assessment of the team.

First you tell me that he has a no-trade clause, now you tell me he has already been traded. I'm starting to think that my trade proposal won't happen!

I"m reminded of a conversation I overheard one day at a youth hockey game. (Full disclosure, my son is a ref.) A woman in her 70s was commenting to a coach/director of an association about the horrible officiating after a game. The director looked at her and calmly asked if she could skate. She said no. He asked if she had ever been a ref. She said, of course not, I can't even skate. He then said, well then, you don't have any right to tell any official or player how to do their job. It's harder than it looks out there. I will say that I used to be hard on refs until my son started reffing. Yes there are still obvious missed calls, but it's a heck of a job. It infuriates me to go to a game and hear a crowd start booing the refs during warmups. Anyway, hope the Habs can string together a few more strong performances. Sounds like this one was a step in the right direction.

In a way, this is a test of organizational sang-froid. You made a change. The team is struggling to adapt to it. If you truly believe that this is the way the team will need to play when it’s time to win, then NOW is the time to go through those growing pains. The last thing we want is to have our Cup window opening, then regress because we flipped the system. But the other consideration is: what if the adaptation struggles lead to a cascading sense of negativity and a loss of confidence among the young players who keep failing at it? Does that then grind against your wider organizational goals of player development? And there is a third factor. MSL seems very good at working with individual players, but what if he is just not very good at communicating/teaching systems? In this case, have you made the right decision, but left in place the wrong guy to execute it? Hard to sort all this out. But I would say, 14 games is maybe not enough. The Oil went back to their earlier system because they were in an absolute win-now crisis. That ain’t us. Bare minimum, I think the Habs and MSL need to do a better job of communicating that adjusting to the new system is a ‘process’ and that there will continue to be growing pains for a while yet. Get ahead of the fan/media narrative that the sky is falling. Really, they should have been emphasizing this from day one, rather than saying we were going to ‘be in the mix.’

I don't think Anderson and Armia are poor role models, both are working hard, have good attitude and are winning board battles, even if they are not able to put pucks in the net. The overpriced contracts really have nothing to do with whether they can set a good example or not.

So, what does the survey say? --- Back in the playoffs --- 98 PMAC 97 Dalhabs 93 illWill --- In the mix --- 88 tomh009, brindavis 87 BCHabnut, hab29retired, revvvrob 86 alfredoh2009 --- On the outside looking in --- 84 Commandant 83 Habs Fan in Edmonton 82 Peter Puck 81 DON, GHT120 80 JoeLassister 78 Habsfan84 76 xXx..CK..xXx --- Actual results --- 76 2023-24 68 2022-23 55 2021-22 We're on pace for 82 at the moment--after just two games--let's see what it looks like next spring!

This picture from last night is cool AF

Wow, there is a name I haven’t seen in a long time 🎉 Welcome back

This is horseshit. He's got a mental health issue? Sure... don't play... go on LTIR. There is no reason though that Lehner should be off the books while players like Carey Price with a chronic knee have to go on LTIR.

Both of you, please stop responding. Now. I will delete most of these posts.

There's a difference of favoring size when you are trading for Dach and drafting Slafvkosky and picking up Florian xhejac in the third line than drafting Mccrarron, or signing and trading for washouts like alzner and king, or zero hockey sense guys like Anderson. we are getting bigger, but we aren't doing it the cost of skill or hockey IQ, or over-reaching in our picks. the only big contract we acquired for a big (but highly skilled player) is Laine. But it's a short term commitment, with low risk and potential for high return.

So this will be just my 25th season as a Habs fan, after living in Montreal in 2000/01, so for me cups are things that live in my kitchen. I started with a team with massive injuries, starting Juha Lind and Patrick Poulin as 2nd line wingers 🤦‍♂️. So I can offer a slightly different perspective I suppose. Who can predict the future, but the key phrase for me that has come through in buckets since Gorton & Hughes took over is humble professionalism. Their approach is measured and has less bluster than Bergeron era, less of the chaos of the Gauthier era and less of the legacy expectations of the Gainey era. Gone is the lack of respect that these eras had towards players and their families, now sensible conversations are had before trades, players know where they stand and don’t get traded in between periods. They have made Montreal a desirable workplace and at the end of the day, that is what it is a workplace. I have never blamed stars staying away from Montreal because it was terrible workplace, not because of the taxes, but because players were commodities. i don’t know whether the future will bring cups or not, but I sat on a subbed in Greece looking forward to October like never before. 🔵⚪️🔴

I think the Habs will match at $3 contract. Not sure if Xhekaj would sign - I think he was making more at Costco😁

One thing that I just thought of. If the Habs are interested in Laine, they now have inside information (Vincent) on pretty much everything that has gone down in Columbus and if he's salvageable or not.