Meller93 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Commandant said: Smith is better than Cooley who was challenging for 1OA so yes I think he would have went #1 last year No one is talking Benson who Id like if we dont take Michkov. Out of Michkov, Benson and Smith, which is your favorite at 5? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Meller93 said: Out of Michkov, Benson and Smith, which is your favorite at 5? 1 bedard 2 fantilli 3 carlsson 4 michkov 5 smith 6 benson 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plutarch Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 17 hours ago, Commandant said: 1 bedard 2 fantilli 3 carlsson 4 michkov 5 smith 6 benson Thoughts on the Slovak? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 2 hours ago, Plutarch said: Thoughts on the Slovak? He just dosent seem like a #5 option, but Hughes and crew did watch him play this spring and i assume interviewed him last week, so who knows? Leonard is one some are saying would be good option. Other folks rankings; https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/527424/dalibor-dvorsky Ranked #7 by CONSOLIDATED RANKING Ranked #11 by ELITEPROSPECTS.COM Ranked #7 by FCHOCKEY Ranked #9 by FLOHOCKEY/CHRIS PETERS Ranked #15 by DAILY FACEOFF Ranked #11 by THE HOCKEY NEWS Ranked #9 by TSN/BOB McKENZIE Ranked #7 by MCKEEN'S HOCKEY Ranked #9 by TSN/CRAIG BUTTON Ranked #3 by NHL CENTRAL SCOUTING (EU Skaters) Ranked #11 by SPORTSNET Ranked #8 by RECRUIT SCOUTING Ranked #17 by DOBBERPROSPECTS Ranked #10 by DRAFT PROSPECTS HOCKEY Ranked #19 by SMAHT SCOUTING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 4 minutes ago, DON said: ,,, Leonard is one some are saying would be good option ... From what I've heard/read he has an interesting combination of skill and sandpaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 2 hours ago, GHT120 said: From what I've heard/read he has an interesting combination of skill and sandpaper. carpenters are always in demand, for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 19 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: carpenters are always in demand, for sure. 51g in 57 games, seems pretty handy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 I hear Perrault is the real driver on the Will Smith line... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 https://theathletic.com/4600247/2023/06/11/canadiens-matvei-michkov-no-5-pick/?source=emp_shared_article These guy make good case for Leonard/Reinbacher and unlikely will be Michkov. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 1 hour ago, DON said: https://theathletic.com/4600247/2023/06/11/canadiens-matvei-michkov-no-5-pick/?source=emp_shared_article These guy make good case for Leonard/Reinbacher and unlikely will be Michkov. Basu is suggesting that Michkov may fall out of the top 1o. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 7 hours ago, Plutarch said: Thoughts on the Slovak? Not enough offence for me to be happy with him at 5. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 6 hours ago, GHT120 said: From what I've heard/read he has an interesting combination of skill and sandpaper. https://www.nhl.com/news/10-things-learned-from-2023-nhl-scouting-combine/c-344809464 "I'd say Ryan Leonard (6-0, 192; No. 5)," said Musser (6-4, 215), who is No. 8 on Central Scouting's final ranking of North American goalies. "He's got a hard, heavy shot. I give him credit. He spends extra time working on it and can change the angle, change his release point. He comes in and it looks like he's shooting blocker but then he goes glove side. I think his shot is probably the best I've seen." Augustine (6-1, 183), No. 3 on Central Scouting's final ranking of North American goalies, offered two players. "Leonard's definitely up there, but also Danny Nelson (6-3, 202; No. 22)," Augustine said. "Both have really good shots. Leonard just gets it off super quick. He's able to get it off from different positions so he kind of makes it different every time and makes it hard to read. https://www.nhl.com/news/mock-2023-nhl-draft-connor-bedard-adam-fantilli-top-picks/c-344826764 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 10 hours ago, DON said: https://www.nhl.com/news/10-things-learned-from-2023-nhl-scouting-combine/c-344809464 "I'd say Ryan Leonard (6-0, 192; No. 5)," said Musser (6-4, 215), who is No. 8 on Central Scouting's final ranking of North American goalies. "He's got a hard, heavy shot. I give him credit. He spends extra time working on it and can change the angle, change his release point. He comes in and it looks like he's shooting blocker but then he goes glove side. I think his shot is probably the best I've seen." Augustine (6-1, 183), No. 3 on Central Scouting's final ranking of North American goalies, offered two players. "Leonard's definitely up there, but also Danny Nelson (6-3, 202; No. 22)," Augustine said. "Both have really good shots. Leonard just gets it off super quick. He's able to get it off from different positions so he kind of makes it different every time and makes it hard to read. https://www.nhl.com/news/mock-2023-nhl-draft-connor-bedard-adam-fantilli-top-picks/c-344826764 Interesting In terms of rankings, I always avoid the Central Scouting lists since they segregate North American players from European/"others" and skaters from goalies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 12, 2023 Author Share Posted June 12, 2023 19 hours ago, DON said: https://www.nhl.com/news/10-things-learned-from-2023-nhl-scouting-combine/c-344809464 "I'd say Ryan Leonard (6-0, 192; No. 5)," said Musser (6-4, 215), who is No. 8 on Central Scouting's final ranking of North American goalies. "He's got a hard, heavy shot. I give him credit. He spends extra time working on it and can change the angle, change his release point. He comes in and it looks like he's shooting blocker but then he goes glove side. I think his shot is probably the best I've seen." Augustine (6-1, 183), No. 3 on Central Scouting's final ranking of North American goalies, offered two players. "Leonard's definitely up there, but also Danny Nelson (6-3, 202; No. 22)," Augustine said. "Both have really good shots. Leonard just gets it off super quick. He's able to get it off from different positions so he kind of makes it different every time and makes it hard to read. https://www.nhl.com/news/mock-2023-nhl-draft-connor-bedard-adam-fantilli-top-picks/c-344826764 The more I see of Ryan Leonard the more I like him. Seems like a great combination of grit and skill. The kind of player you win Stanley Cups with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 EOTP draft podcast https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/montreal-canadiens-podcast-habsent-minded-eliteprospects-draft-special-david-st-louis-fifth-overall-benson-reinbacher-michkov-goalies/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 https://theathletic.com/4601018/2023/06/14/nhl-mock-draft-2023-staff/ FWIW: Basu with couple swapped picks in mock draft for Habs, interesting haul; Benson 9th (LW) Wood 17th (RW) Hrabal 32nd (big Czech goalie) "A trade to go get Hrabal as Montreal did at No. 32 is a realistic possibility. Teams traded up to get goaltenders Jesper Wallstedt, Sebastian Cossa and Mads Sogaard in recent drafts. Hrabal is highly valued in the league and if he doesn’t go day one I think he’ll be among the very first picks in the second round." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 15, 2023 Author Share Posted June 15, 2023 Also a lot of articles about the Habs trying to trade up. I am sure Hughes is working the phones but those kinds of deals rarely happen. I don't see much point in trying to trade up 1 spot (unless the cost is reasonable) as the guy you want at #4 might be available at #5. Teams are pretty tight lipped about who they are taking (obviously) to maximize trade leverage. https://nhltradetalk.com/canadiens-trying-to-trade-for-number-two-pick-2023-nhl-draft/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 9 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Also a lot of articles about the Habs trying to trade up. I am sure Hughes is working the phones but those kinds of deals rarely happen. I don't see much point in trying to trade up 1 spot (unless the cost is reasonable) as the guy you want at #4 might be available at #5. Teams are pretty tight lipped about who they are taking (obviously) to maximize trade leverage. There seems to be a growing expectation that Michkov will fall to five. If the Habs want one of the four centres then, they'll need to move up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 22 minutes ago, dlbalr said: There seems to be a growing expectation that Michkov will fall to five. If the Habs want one of the four centres then, they'll need to move up. why trade an asset when it was so much easier to loose a few more games ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meller93 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 8 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Also a lot of articles about the Habs trying to trade up. I am sure Hughes is working the phones but those kinds of deals rarely happen. I don't see much point in trying to trade up 1 spot (unless the cost is reasonable) as the guy you want at #4 might be available at #5. Teams are pretty tight lipped about who they are taking (obviously) to maximize trade leverage. https://nhltradetalk.com/canadiens-trying-to-trade-for-number-two-pick-2023-nhl-draft/ This does give us a little insight though. Sounds like this means the Habs don’t like who they may be left with at 5, my guess would mean they don’t want to swing on Michkov. A trade that actually could happen is swapping 5 for 4 with San Jose, and giving up another decent pick and prospect to do so. San Jose then takes Michkov & has extra assets on top of that. MTL likely takes Will Smith at 4 in this case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 15, 2023 Author Share Posted June 15, 2023 1 hour ago, dlbalr said: There seems to be a growing expectation that Michkov will fall to five. If the Habs want one of the four centres then, they'll need to move up. There is a growing expectation if you believe all the newsletter writers who are quite often wrong. There is almost always a surprise. Who thought a supposed generational talent like Wright would drop to 4 last year? Nobody on this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meller93 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 24 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: There is a growing expectation if you believe all the newsletter writers who are quite often wrong. There is almost always a surprise. Who thought a supposed generational talent like Wright would drop to 4 last year? Nobody on this forum. By the draft wright wasn’t considered generational, and some like Scott Wheeler had him at 4th OA. So it was definitely an option considered by reputable pundits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 15, 2023 Author Share Posted June 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, Meller93 said: By the draft wright wasn’t considered generational, and some like Scott Wheeler had him at 4th OA. So it was definitely an option considered by reputable pundits It seemed like all the scouts in Bob Mackenzie's rankings had him at 1 or 2. Just saying that what we read from the pundits is far from a sure thing. And I am not at all against Hughes trying to trade up to make sure he gets the center he wants if it is possible without giving up too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: It seemed like all the scouts in Bob Mackenzie's rankings had him at 1 or 2. Just saying that what we read from the pundits is far from a sure thing. And I am not at all against Hughes trying to trade up to make sure he gets the center he wants if it is possible without giving up too much. I much rather he uses assets to get a top-4 RD than to gain a spot or two to pick someone who may never become an impact player in the NHL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 I'm sure Hughes is doing his due diligence, which includes exploring options for moving up. (It could conceivably involve moving down, too, although that seems less of an option for a rebuilding team). All I ask that Hughes not outsmart himself. Draft BPA, period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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