2024 draft, pick 5: Ivan Demidov

[DON]

16 minutes ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said:

No Don, in the NHL....

I guess if keep Guhle playing on his wrong side, move Harris to the right side, waive Barron, send Struble, Engstrom & Reinbacher to Laval, then he might fit in playing a couple minutes/game on the #2-PP unit, instead of playing big minutes in Laval.

 

In general, i would prefer to see him starting in the Laval roster, at least for the fall. Young forwards have much less to learn can make jump easier.

Is no hurry to rush him is there?

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

1 hour ago, Commandant said:

I think the floor is Nathan Beaulieu.  What is the ceiling though. 

 

Some have used Brent Burns as a comparison. That could be the ceiling. I would be fine with that. 

[tomh009]

13 minutes ago, DON said:

In general, i would prefer to see him starting in the Laval roster, at least for the fall. Young forwards have much less to learn can make jump easier.

Is no hurry to rush him is there?

I think the question will be, is he ready for the NHL? The training camp and pre-season should answer that question.

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

34 minutes ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said:

I think Barron is sacrificed to make room for Mailloux and Reinbacher on the right as we transition into 2025/26.

 

I agree, I see Barron as being the odd man out. He certainly has offensive skills but I just don't see him fitting the mould of a 3rd pairing D as Mailloux and Reinbacher will move ahead of him.  Hopefully some other team finds him very attractive. 

[DON]

5 minutes ago, tomh009 said:

I think the question will be, is he ready for the NHL? 

Ready? On offense safe to say YES, it is the defending bit that might be bit too much for him.

[IN THE HEARTS OF MEN]

1 hour ago, DON said:

I guess if keep Guhle playing on his wrong side, move Harris to the right side, waive Barron, send Struble, Engstrom & Reinbacher to Laval, then he might fit in playing a couple minutes/game on the #2-PP unit, instead of playing big minutes in Laval.

 

In general, i would prefer to see him starting in the Laval roster, at least for the fall. Young forwards have much less to learn can make jump easier.

Is no hurry to rush him is there?

Yes I do believe guhle will remain on the right side next season and Hutson will be on the left.

I would not doubt Hughes moves another  Dman, maybe even two. My guess is Barrond and Struble or Harris

 

 

[hab29RETIRED]

2 hours ago, DON said:

I guess if keep Guhle playing on his wrong side, move Harris to the right side, waive Barron, send Struble, Engstrom & Reinbacher to Laval, then he might fit in playing a couple minutes/game on the #2-PP unit, instead of playing big minutes in Laval.

 

In general, i would prefer to see him starting in the Laval roster, at least for the fall. Young forwards have much less to learn can make jump easier.

Is no hurry to rush him is there?

With a guy like Hutson, you have to have guys that have higher hockey IQ for him to have success. I'd also rather not expose him to career AHLers who are borderline hockey players and will be looking to make a name for themselves by taking out an elite prospect.

 

i think Horton is one of those guys you either had to leave in college to physically get stronger, or bring him straight up to the NHL.

 

Reinbacher is the guy who may benefit from more time in the AHL if he doesn't earn a spot with the Habs at the end of training camp.

[hab29RETIRED]

2 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

 

I agree, I see Barron as being the odd man out. He certainly has offensive skills but I just don't see him fitting the mould of a 3rd pairing D as Mailloux and Reinbacher will move ahead of him.  Hopefully some other team finds him very attractive. 

I see Barron - along with Harris that are the two guys we move for help up front. 

[DON]

5 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said:

I see Barron - along with Harris that are the two guys we move for help up front. 

Neither is much value in trade, are they. Barron is a borderline NHLer, it seems.

 

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

12 minutes ago, DON said:

Neither is much value in trade, are they. Barron is a borderline NHLer, it seems.

 

 

By themselves, not huge value but perhaps in a package to move up or for a forward. 

[DON]

3 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

 

By themselves, not huge value but perhaps in a package to move up or for a forward. 

Was talkin about Hutson not playing NHL this season, so is no moving up.

Value of a 2025 1st pick with or without Barron isnt much difference is it, Harris is bit more valuable but not alot.

Seems a standard Habs trade proposal; spare parts for a good return (a top six upgrade).

A 1st pick & Xhekaj or Mailloux would likely be more attractive to other GMs.

[GHT120]

10 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

By themselves, not huge value but perhaps in a package to move up or for a forward. 

 

If neither Barron or Harris have much trade value individually, they then add little to the value of a package ... and certainly, aren't the primary basis for a package to obtain anything significant.

[tomh009]

30 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

If neither Barron or Harris have much trade value individually, they then add little to the value of a package ... and certainly, aren't the primary basis for a package to obtain anything significant.

The question is, do they NOT have value? 22yo and 24yo defencemen on cheap contracts, RD and flexible LD/RD. At that age they likely have not reached their potential yet, and I personally wouldn't write them off as bottom-pairing NHLers quite yet.

 

The real question is how would other teams' scouts and GMs view them.

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

8 hours ago, DON said:

A 1st pick & Xhekaj or Mailloux would likely be more attractive to other GMs.

 

That's a package that would be extremely attractive to other GM's. I would want something very good to give up that package. 

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

1 hour ago, GHT120 said:

 

If neither Barron or Harris have much trade value individually, they then add little to the value of a package ... and certainly, aren't the primary basis for a package to obtain anything significant.

 

I didn't say they had no value, I said they didn't have huge value individually. 

[DON]

51 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

 

That's a package that would be extremely attractive to other GM's. I would want something very good to give up that package. 

Isnt that exactly what we need or want? Someone to add on Dach's wing.

An Ehlers, Perfetti, Marner, Necas, McGroaterty (or however the entitled kid's name is spelt), or the like. 

[Prime Minister Koivu]

Fair value for McGroarty is probably Harris and a late first. 
 

Winnipeg is surely looking for more than fair value in return though. 
 

I personally would not pay Mailloux and Calgary’s first for him. I can wait another year for Demidov. 

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

45 minutes ago, DON said:

Isnt that exactly what we need or want? Someone to add on Dach's wing.

An Ehlers, Perfetti, Marner, Necas, McGroaterty (or however the entitled kid's name is spelt), or the like. 

 

Yes, we do want someone very good to play with Dach, hopefully someone young that fits into the rebuild and wants to play here.  There is a big difference in what you would give up for a Marner or Necas as opposed to a Perfetti or McGroaty. 

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

40 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:

Fair value for McGroarty is probably Harris and a late first. 
 

Winnipeg is surely looking for more than fair value in return though. 
 

I personally would not pay Mailloux and Calgary’s first for him. I can wait another year for Demidov. 

 

Agree that's fair value for McGroaty. It is hard to value the Calgary pick as discussed before as it could be all over the place. 

 

I would not pay Mailloux and Calgary's 1st for McGroaty either. I think Mailloux has a lot of value and the Calgary pick might be high. I would rather wait for Demidov than have Hughes panic a bit to get a forward although I am thinking Hughes does want to make a trade for a forward. His interest in Marchessault indicates he wants to improve the team in the short term. 

[Commandant]

I think things could get interesting once Laine is cleared by the player assistance program, which apparently hasn't happened quite yet. 

[hab29RETIRED]

1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

 

That's a package that would be extremely attractive to other GM's. I would want something very good to give up that package. 

I wouldn't give that package for Zegras or Necas. They are both to close to free agency and while they would probably want to break though the Suzuki cap, they aren't the type of players I'd want to break the current internal salary structure  for.

Not sure if I'd even do that for McGroaty - we have to be sure we can sign him. And I think that he's a guy our think Winnipeg needs to move, so there should be a discount factor on the fact they need to move him. He could always decide to stay in college for another couple of years and be a UFA.

 

I love Ehlers, but he is to close to being a UFA. I want nothing to do with Marner, if past history is any indication, he will be looking for $12m/yr.

[GHT120]

1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

I didn't say they had no value, I said they didn't have huge value individually. 

And I didn't say no value ... but (metaphorically) if you have two $5 bills don't expect to get a $50 bill back just because you offer to give them both, even a $20. (i.e., Barron and Harris would be second tier pieces in any trade for a significant return)

[GHT120]

59 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:

I personally would not pay Mailloux and Calgary’s first for him. I can wait another year for Demidov. 

Just pointing out that if you make the trade, you have them both ... I-M-O, Mailloux and a 2025 2nd might be fair for McGroaty ... give to get.

[Prime Minister Koivu]

23 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

Just pointing out that if you make the trade, you have them both ... I-M-O, Mailloux and a 2025 2nd might be fair for McGroaty ... give to get.

This would make me definitely consider it. I’d rather not give up Mailloux but I think this might get the deal done 

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

28 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

And I didn't say no value ... but (metaphorically) if you have two $5 bills don't expect to get a $50 bill back just because you offer to give them both, even a $20. (i.e., Barron and Harris would be second tier pieces in any trade for a significant return)

 

Fair enough, you didn't say no value but saying in your example that he is 1/10 the value of what you hope to get certainly implies you think he has little value.  I think he is a very mobile, smart hockey player with great character. Now he is somewhat limited by his size but  if he was 6' 2" 210 lbs we likely wouldn't be having this conversation because we would probably want to keep him or be demanding a heck of a lot more in a trade. 

 

Barron scored 7 goals in 48 games from the back end. He certainly has some talent. They are both young and can get better.