alfredoh2009 Posted February 17 Author Share Posted February 17 7 hours ago, GHT120 said: Leave Beck and Mailloux down there, grab a couple of waiver wire replacements ... let the youngsters WIN together. preach, brother, preach ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted February 17 Author Share Posted February 17 2 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said: That’s about what I had in mind for Roy. If we make an early move for some our our forwards or move Savard, we may be able to get another 5 games for Beck and Mailloux. Not enough time for more than that, given the number of available games. Farrell has been hot for a few games, and he is up for renewal. If they have not given up on him, I would recall him. Harvey-Pinard is still waiver eligible and he seems to be playing with a bit more intensity, he is also up for renewal, I would also recall him. There is no rush to bring up Roy, Beck and Mailloux, they can have that shot at training camp. I do not see the value of seeing them play in the NHL. They are close but they will struggle after a few games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted February 17 Author Share Posted February 17 top 10 in goals with Laval. Florian Xhekaj has arrived He is playing very well in defensive assignments and is scoring at a decent rate in the last month or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Busy week. Owen Beck and Joshua Roy power Laval Rocket to bounce-back win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 8 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: There is no rush to bring up Roy, Beck and Mailloux, they can have that shot at training camp. I do not see the value of seeing them play in the NHL. They are close but they will struggle after a few games. You don't see the value in giving players who you think/hope can be NHL contributors next season games in the NHL to assess their potential readiness? How else would they find this information out? I'm not saying call them up for good here but yes, they need more NHL games for management to more accurately assess how ready they might be. Some time with Montreal before finishing with Laval for the playoffs would be the prudent move here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 12 hours ago, Commandant said: 4 (this includes who is papered down for playoffs) So Beck, Mailloux, Roy, Reinbacher Might need to keep a spot open just in case need someone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, dlbalr said: You don't see the value in giving players who you think/hope can be NHL contributors next season games in the NHL to assess their potential readiness? How else would they find this information out? I'm not saying call them up for good here but yes, they need more NHL games for management to more accurately assess how ready they might be. Some time with Montreal before finishing with Laval for the playoffs would be the prudent move here. Even if we are out of the mix or on the bottom edge of the mix, games now will provide much more meaningful information than the typical split-squad pre-season games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 6 minutes ago, tomh009 said: Might need to keep a spot open just in case need someone else? You have emergency callups that don't count towards the 4 if the team ever gets below 12 healthy forwards, 6 healthy D, or 2 healthy goalies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 10 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: Farrell has been hot for a few games, and he is up for renewal. If they have not given up on him, I would recall him. Harvey-Pinard is still waiver eligible and he seems to be playing with a bit more intensity, he is also up for renewal, I would also recall him. There is no rush to bring up Roy, Beck and Mailloux, they can have that shot at training camp. I do not see the value of seeing them play in the NHL. They are close but they will struggle after a few games. The value is the struggle, its letting them know what they need to work on in Summer to take the next step. Most NHL teams (when practical) give their youngsters these kinds of games, there is a reason for that. You don't want to overload them, but some games and a taste of the NHL lets them know how far off they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 9 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: top 10 in goals with Laval. Florian Xhekaj has arrived He is playing very well in defensive assignments and is scoring at a decent rate in the last month or so. 17 points in 43 games..... He's arrived. Arrived as what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 What is chance any of; Kapanen, Sam Harris, Fowler, Rohrer will dress for Laval in April or May? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Harris, highly unlikely. He needs to stay in school another year, so he can't play pro Kapanen/Rohrer - depends on how deep their teams go. Fowler - while I think he's ready for pro, I could see him staying in school one more year too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Rohrer and Kapanen will probably be tied up until the end of March (Zurich second overall, Timra in fifth). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 22 minutes ago, Commandant said: Kapanen/Rohrer - depends on how deep their teams go. And also their possible status for the Worlds in May. If their teams go deep into the playoffs and they're on the radar for Finland/Austria respectively, the Habs might just say take a few weeks off and then go play in that event over bringing them to Laval to join the team early in the postseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Down 3-0 near end of 1st period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 3 hours ago, Commandant said: 17 points in 43 games..... He's arrived. Arrived as what? I think Florian has shown progression this year which is all you can ask for. Only 1 goal behind Beck and 2 behind Roy (Roy has played 6 fewer games). Not bad for a guy projected to be a 4th liner. I think the Habs have to be happy with how he has progressed this year, admittedly I don't know what his defensive play is like. That is also important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 minute ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I think Florian has shown progression this year which is all you can ask for. Only 1 goal behind Beck and 2 behind Roy (Roy has played 6 fewer games). Not bad for a guy projected to be a 4th liner. I think the Habs have to be happy with how he has progressed this year, admittedly I don't know what his defensive play is like. That is also important. Beck and Roy both are getting more assists, work better with their linemates, and are better defensively. Florian has become a 3rd/4th line AHLer. Which is good progress, but he's far from "arrived" The fact is 3rd/4th line NHLers don't usually come from 3rd/4th lines in the AHL. You usually have to be a top line AHLer to be even a 3rd/4th line NHLer. Look at how Armia was scoring when he went down. So I agree its a good first season, and he's young so there is time.... but he's still got plenty of developing to do before he "arrives" as a legit top prospect pushing for NHL time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted February 17 Author Share Posted February 17 5 hours ago, dlbalr said: You don't see the value in giving players who you think/hope can be NHL contributors next season games in the NHL to assess their potential readiness? How else would they find this information out? I'm not saying call them up for good here but yes, they need more NHL games for management to more accurately assess how ready they might be. Some time with Montreal before finishing with Laval for the playoffs would be the prudent move here. not the way Marty played them. I much rather see them play meaningful minutes in all situations than bottom pair/trio minutes with no special team time. I much rather see other Laval players being called up to se where they are. we know what we have in Beck and Mailloux Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted February 17 Author Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I think Florian has shown progression this year which is all you can ask for. Only 1 goal behind Beck and 2 behind Roy (Roy has played 6 fewer games). Not bad for a guy projected to be a 4th liner. I think the Habs have to be happy with how he has progressed this year, admittedly I don't know what his defensive play is like. That is also important. exactly. He should be recalled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 3 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: exactly. He should be recalled Florian should be recalled over Beck ans Mailloux? Insanity. He's not a dominant AHL player, he's a fourth liner there, sometimes a third liner. He's not ready and would be eaten alive in the NHL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, alfredoh2009 said: not the way Marty played them. I much rather see them play meaningful minutes in all situations than bottom pair/trio minutes with no special team time. I much rather see other Laval players being called up to se where they are. we know what we have in Beck and Mailloux We know what we have in Beck and Mailloux? Not as NHLers we dont. And the lesson to them is to learn what they need to improve to be full time NHLers too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 3 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: not the way Marty played them. I much rather see them play meaningful minutes in all situations than bottom pair/trio minutes with no special team time. I much rather see other Laval players being called up to se where they are. we know what we have in Beck and Mailloux We do? Mailloux has played in eight career NHL games, hardly enough of a sample size to draw any conclusions from. Beck is at seven games. That's not enough to say that the Habs know what they have in those two. (Or anyone for that matter.) And if eight games is enough in your books, why are you advocating recalling Harvey-Pinard to evaluate him when he has 84 NHL games? We know he's not in the future plans whereas the other two clearly are. I think there will be an opportunity for more minutes for Beck and Mailloux with the Canadiens once we get through the trade deadline so if you're worried about playing time, I think that will be corrected to a point later on. And again, I'm all for getting them back in Laval closer to the playoffs where they can play the big-minute roles but if those two are serious candidates for NHL roster spots next season, they need to be working with the NHL coaching staff and facing NHL talent more than they have so far. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted February 18 Author Share Posted February 18 (edited) 4 hours ago, dlbalr said: We do? Mailloux has played in eight career NHL games, hardly enough of a sample size to draw any conclusions from. Beck is at seven games. That's not enough to say that the Habs know what they have in those two. (Or anyone for that matter.) And if eight games is enough in your books, why are you advocating recalling Harvey-Pinard to evaluate him when he has 84 NHL games? We know he's not in the future plans whereas the other two clearly are. I think there will be an opportunity for more minutes for Beck and Mailloux with the Canadiens once we get through the trade deadline so if you're worried about playing time, I think that will be corrected to a point later on. And again, I'm all for getting them back in Laval closer to the playoffs where they can play the big-minute roles but if those two are serious candidates for NHL roster spots next season, they need to be working with the NHL coaching staff and facing NHL talent more than they have so far. after the trade deadline, sure. But not before. There is no point before Adding to clarify: Mailloux needs more playing time in Laval, he is not yet ready to play in the NHL. In his short stint this season he scored and did well on the offensive zone, but his reads are not NHL level. He needs to finish the season in Laval IMHO. Beck did fairly well on faceoffs and showed more maturity that I was expecting without the puck but it took him a bit of time to stop being intimidated by the NHLers he was playing against and just eing himself. He seemed to be having a similar arc as Kapanen did early in the season: god for a bit and the declining. I do not want to finish the season doubting himself. I want him to finish the season on a high note. He will still be waiver exempt next year, we can play yo-yo with him next season. This year I would prefer to see how much he can progress in his first professional year in the AHL. The Habs can get plugs to finish the season. No need to much with these two player's development as far as I am concerned. I did not suggest to bring up RHP to "evaluate him" he is a bottom 6 player at best. But he can plug a hole. Lindstrom if they trade Savard, Florian-X if they trade Dvorak. To fill an uniform for a few games and see how much the adrenaline rush pumps them up for a short period. Just my opinion Edited February 18 by alfredoh2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 We dont need to use contract slots on plugs. Better for development to let actual prospects get a taste of the NHL. Development is the goal not winning in the AHL, and the fact is that the players would only miss regular season AHL games, of course they would field their strongest team in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 8 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: Adding to clarify: Mailloux needs more playing time in Laval, he is not yet ready to play in the NHL. In his short stint this season he scored and did well on the offensive zone, but his reads are not NHL level. He needs to finish the season in Laval IMHO. Beck did fairly well on faceoffs and showed more maturity that I was expecting without the puck but it took him a bit of time to stop being intimidated by the NHLers he was playing against and just eing himself. He seemed to be having a similar arc as Kapanen did early in the season: god for a bit and the declining. I do not want to finish the season doubting himself. I want him to finish the season on a high note. He will still be waiver exempt next year, we can play yo-yo with him next season. This year I would prefer to see how much he can progress in his first professional year in the AHL. The Habs can get plugs to finish the season. No need to much with these two player's development as far as I am concerned. I did not suggest to bring up RHP to "evaluate him" he is a bottom 6 player at best. But he can plug a hole. Lindstrom if they trade Savard, Florian-X if they trade Dvorak. To fill an uniform for a few games and see how much the adrenaline rush pumps them up for a short period. Just my opinion I don't think Mailloux is NHL-ready either defensively but he needs to go through facing NHL reads to get ready to face NHL reads. Then, he needs to make some adjustments and at that time, he can start to work on those at the AHL level first. But development-wise, you can't skip the first part and just say he should stay in the minors. If I had to guess right now, the Habs have no intention of yo-yo'ing Beck next season. He's probably pencilled in as a regular. So let's get through the growing pains and possible confidence issues now in a nothing year rather than face them next season when they're probably trying to make the playoffs. Having said that, if Heineman is ready to come back, Beck might not be brought back up right away anyway but once centres start to move, he's going to get a long look so that they can properly assess his NHL readiness, something that's easier to do with him in the NHL than Laval. Also, Xhekaj just moved off the fourth line in Laval, a move necessitated by injuries. He'd be completely overwhelmed with the pace of the NHL level. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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