BCHabnut 401 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 12 hours ago, hockeyrealist said: he is barely playing average minutes (15/game max) getting all zeroes across the stat sheet most nights (1a, -5) and was promptly demoted down the lineup within first four games. If he isn’t is game shape compared the short camp all players had, then that is on him. Even if, neither him nor Anderson score again, the Habs won the deal just by adding the physicality, speed and truculence that Anderson brings, things the Habs needed/need. what is garbage is this article of pure speculation and garbage research. Completely ignores anything that has happened since the trade, this is the worst writing I’ve seen on the main page and should be a forum post as it is so poorly put together and obviously just an opinion piece by nobody: Canadiens Overpaid for Josh Anderson By Dave Woodward – January 20, 2021 I hope Anderson is amazing, but I am skeptical that he lives up to his contract and term. Time will tell. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DON 279 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 13 hours ago, hockeyrealist said: what is garbage is this article of pure speculation and garbage research. Completely ignores anything that has happened since the trade, this is the worst writing I’ve seen on the main page and should be a forum post as it is so poorly put together and obviously just an opinion piece by nobody: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Commandant 1757 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Not being in game shape isn't going to be fixed in four games.... Being unable to practice and train cause of diabetes, is also not on him.... Sorry bud, but I disagree strongly with all of that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zumpano21 127 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Love the Domi-Anderson trade. That is all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hockeyrealist 28 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 On 1/23/2021 at 6:53 PM, Commandant said: Not being in game shape isn't going to be fixed in four games.... Being unable to practice and train cause of diabetes, is also not on him.... Sorry bud, but I disagree strongly with all of that. The entire league is not in game shape for first four games this season so that is a level playing field and invalid defence of his poor play. what was different for him due to his illness this offseason? Almost all players were unable to train on-ice at any normal level and majority of players were not able to access the usual team gyms, local gyms, etc anyways due to pandemic. so, again seems a pretty level playing field all around and does not defend his poor play. he’s been playing with this illness his whole life and while I know he has to be extra cautious, he wasn’t held out of opportunity to train independently anymore than all other players. Anderson>Domi And also love the trade as was mentioned. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Commandant 1757 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 19 minutes ago, hockeyrealist said: The entire league is not in game shape for first four games this season so that is a level playing field and invalid defence of his poor play. what was different for him due to his illness this offseason? Almost all players were unable to train on-ice at any normal level and majority of players were not able to access the usual team gyms, local gyms, etc anyways due to pandemic. so, again seems a pretty level playing field all around and does not defend his poor play. he’s been playing with this illness his whole life and while I know he has to be extra cautious, he wasn’t held out of opportunity to train independently anymore than all other players. Anderson>Domi And also love the trade as was mentioned. He was held out of team practices while other players were practicing during training camp. This isn't rocket science. I also think it will take at least 2 years to evaluate the trade, not 7 games. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tomh009 284 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 18 minutes ago, Commandant said: I also think it will take at least 2 years to evaluate the trade, not 7 games. However, we can say that so far we love the way Anderson is playing! 🙂 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Chicoutimi Cucumber 1645 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Anderson is pretty awesome. I do worry about how well his game will age. He basically has one trick: overpower the D with speed and strength and drive the net. This game makes him more vulnerable to injury - especially, I daresay, shoulder injury, as he crashes pretty reliably into the boards. Also, when he loses a step, he will no longer be able to blown past defencemen on the outside as well. Since he seems to have no other tools in his arsenal, that'll be trouble. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tomh009 284 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 5 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Anderson is pretty awesome. I do worry about how well his game will age. He basically has one trick: overpower the D with speed and strength and drive the net. This game makes him more vulnerable to injury - especially, I daresay, shoulder injury, as he crashes pretty reliably into the boards. Also, when he loses a step, he will no longer be able to blown past defencemen on the outside as well. Since he seems to have no other tools in his arsenal, that'll be trouble. I don't know that losing some speed would make him completely helpless. It's certainly his best (and go-to) tool at this point, I agree with that. How well he can adapt to losing a step is something we likely won't know for a while yet. Some players adapt amazingly well, others do not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Commandant 1757 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 5 hours ago, tomh009 said: However, we can say that so far we love the way Anderson is playing! 🙂 sure, no issue there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Prime Minister Koivu 141 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Obviously this is early to make solid judgments but so far Anderson is playing great for us. Domi on the other hand has spent time as a 4th line centre on a team with very poor centre depth and is currently playing wing - cause he continues to refuse to play defence. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fanpuck33 62 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 7 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: Obviously this is early to make solid judgments but so far Anderson is playing great for us. Domi on the other hand has spent time as a 4th line centre on a team with very poor centre depth and is currently playing wing - cause he continues to refuse to play defence. I don't recall seeing Domi on the wing in Columbus, but I admittedly don't pay super close attention to positioning. He did spend one game on the 4th line, but he's also seen 16-17 minutes a night the last couple games and is now centering Laine and Texier, so it doesn't seem like he is that far in the dog house. That being said, Montreal definitely winning the first 10 games of this trade. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Prime Minister Koivu 141 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 9 minutes ago, Fanpuck33 said: I don't recall seeing Domi on the wing in Columbus, but I admittedly don't pay super close attention to positioning. He did spend one game on the 4th line, but he's also seen 16-17 minutes a night the last couple games and is now centering Laine and Texier, so it doesn't seem like he is that far in the dog house. That being said, Montreal definitely winning the first 10 games of this trade. For some reason I’ve been watching Columbus games if Habs aren’t playing. I’m pretty sure he was playing beside zRoslovik last game. Not sure if it was all game though. #16 is the he only number I know. Looks like at practice Domi was centre to Texier and Laine. That line will score for sure Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fanpuck33 62 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 4 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: For some reason I’ve been watching Columbus games if Habs aren’t playing. I’m pretty sure he was playing beside zRoslovik last game. Not sure if it was all game though. #16 is the he only number I know. Looks like at practice Domi was centre to Texier and Laine. That line will score for sure Yeah, I just rewatched some shifts from last nights game and he was on a line with Foligno and Grigorenko, where Foligno seemed to be taking the defensive responsibility of center (and faceoffs), while Domi tended to play more in the middle in the offensive zone. Lines did end up kind of all over the place, so he did probably play some with Roslovic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GHT120 104 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 hour ago, Fanpuck33 said: ... so it doesn't seem like he is that far in the dog house ... Thinking of Torts, not specifically Domi, while his doghouse can have a deep, deep basement it also can have a revolving door Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Prime Minister Koivu 141 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 36 minutes ago, GHT120 said: Thinking of Torts, not specifically Domi, while his doghouse can have a deep, deep basement it also can have a revolving door It’s interesting to me that Torts recognized Domi’s lack of defensive play and at first tried to punish (time on 4th line) then tried him on wing and then is going to use Domi as centre with another centre (Texier) so that other centre can handle defensive responsibilities! Torts is looking hard for that fit and I think Laine might be the answer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fanpuck33 62 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 1 hour ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: It’s interesting to me that Torts recognized Domi’s lack of defensive play and at first tried to punish (time on 4th line) then tried him on wing and then is going to use Domi as centre with another centre (Texier) so that other centre can handle defensive responsibilities! Torts is looking hard for that fit and I think Laine might be the answer Well, Texier has been used almost exclusively at wing at the NHL level, so I don't know that it will go down like it did with Foligno last game. Texier started that game at center, but didn't end there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Chicoutimi Cucumber 1645 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 How can Laine NOT be the answer? Domi is a two-trick pony: he’s chippy and he makes plays. The rest of his game is a big fat zero. But the fact that he can distribute the puck means that if you put him with a scoring machine like Laine, he should be able to rack up the points. He’ll still be crap in his own end; that’s why Domi is not a top-6 C on a really serious team. But the points totals should paper over those limitations, at least for a while. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GHT120 104 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Max Domi’s struggles highlight Blue Jackets’ woes at ultra-important center spot By Aaron Portzline COLUMBUS, Ohio Max Domi was expected to be the Blue Jackets’ second-line center, but he became the default No. 1 two weeks ago when Pierre-Luc Dubois was sent to Winnipeg in the Patrik Laine trade. The Blue Jackets traded Josh Anderson to Montreal for Domi, a huge price to pay, certainly, but the going rate for NHL top-six centers. Except that Domi is barely hanging in the top six and is no longer a center, having been moved to the wing by a frustrated coach John Tortorella... - The Athletic Seems like a familiar story ... Domi is an interesting match with two of Torts' triggers ... his edgy play would seem to be a plus but his lack of defensive awareness is a huge minus ... throw in slow production and it is combustible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Chicoutimi Cucumber 1645 Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 On 2/7/2021 at 10:17 AM, GHT120 said: Max Domi’s struggles highlight Blue Jackets’ woes at ultra-important center spot By Aaron Portzline COLUMBUS, Ohio Max Domi was expected to be the Blue Jackets’ second-line center, but he became the default No. 1 two weeks ago when Pierre-Luc Dubois was sent to Winnipeg in the Patrik Laine trade. The Blue Jackets traded Josh Anderson to Montreal for Domi, a huge price to pay, certainly, but the going rate for NHL top-six centers. Except that Domi is barely hanging in the top six and is no longer a center, having been moved to the wing by a frustrated coach John Tortorella... - The Athletic Seems like a familiar story ... Domi is an interesting match with two of Torts' triggers ... his edgy play would seem to be a plus but his lack of defensive awareness is a huge minus ... throw in slow production and it is combustible. Seems like CBJ didn't scout Domi properly. None of this comes as a surprise. What a gong show... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
revvvrob 80 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 5 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Seems like CBJ didn't scout Domi properly. None of this comes as a surprise. What a gong show... And now Laine gets benched for the 3rd period .... how much longer can they put their trust in Torts? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GHT120 104 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 10 hours ago, revvvrob said: And now Laine gets benched for the 3rd period .... how much longer can they put their trust in Torts? I think it is a short leash ... CBJ are now 6th in points percentage in the Discover Central Division (although .002 behind Chicago) ... if he pulls the team up into a solid playoff position then I think he is OK ... but if they languish or sink Torts will be in trouble ... of course it is possible that if Jarmo made the Domi and Laine trades with Torts' input (or worse at his behest) then Jarmo may fear that ownership will decide that 8 years of Jarmo and 5+ of Torts is enough Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fanpuck33 62 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 23 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Seems like CBJ didn't scout Domi properly. None of this comes as a surprise. What a gong show... I mean, he was one year removed from being a 72 point and +20 player at center. There was always the danger that he'd react to Torts the same way he eventually responded to Julien, but you can't make an assumption like that. I don't think it was at all irresponsible to view Domi as a 2nd line center. I don't think it's fair to say his rough start means it was a failure by the front office. It just means Torts' ego is running wild and Domi is one of many targets. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Chicoutimi Cucumber 1645 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Just now, Fanpuck33 said: I mean, he was one year removed from being a 72 point and +20 player at center. There was always the danger that he'd react to Torts the same way he eventually responded to Julien, but you can't make an assumption like that. I don't think it was at all irresponsible to view Domi as a 2nd line center. I don't think it's fair to say his rough start means it was a failure by the front office. It just means Torts' ego is running wild and Domi is one of many targets. I agree with you - but if Domi is your second-line C, you have to take him on the assumption that he is crap on his own end and mediocre on the draw. Any organization that insists he transcend those limitations has not done its homework on him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tomh009 284 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 46 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: I agree with you - but if Domi is your second-line C, you have to take him on the assumption that he is crap on his own end and mediocre on the draw. Any organization that insists he transcend those limitations has not done its homework on him. However, we are expecting Suzuki to transcend his personal limitations on the draw. Not to say that Suzuki won't, but what's good for the goose should be good for the gander, right? Other than that, though, Suzuki is at a completely different level than Domi at C -- and still improving. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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