GHT120 Posted October 26, 2024 Share Posted October 26, 2024 4 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: Why can’t we get a top 4 LD instead? Put Xhekaj in Laval and keep Guhle on the right for now. Matheson - Barron Hutson - Guhle New guy - Savard Maybe because Barron is a third pairing defenceman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted October 26, 2024 Share Posted October 26, 2024 52 minutes ago, DON said: Basically was what we started with, or knew they would start and also that there would be alot of youth & mistakes. 6 minutes ago, GHT120 said: Maybe because Barron is a third pairing defenceman? Perhaps a veteran LD to play with either Barron or Savard. Although I think Barron has played much better since being paired with Matheson. Basically it boils down to replacing Xhekaj and Struble with a steady veteran for this season and maybe next. Only suggesting LD because RD is far more costly. But either way a steady veteran would help right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted October 26, 2024 Share Posted October 26, 2024 5 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: Why can’t we get a top 4 LD instead? Put Xhekaj in Laval and keep Guhle on the right for now. Matheson - Barron Hutson - Guhle New guy - Savard I think the last thing we need to do is spend significant assets on a LD just because Arber has had a poor start to the year. Do you send Struble back down as well? It's very costly to get a top 4LD or RD. Secondary scoring is a bigger problem right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted October 26, 2024 Share Posted October 26, 2024 6 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I think the last thing we need to do is spend significant assets on a LD just because Arber has had a poor start to the year. Do you send Struble back down as well? It's very costly to get a top 4LD or RD. Secondary scoring is a bigger problem right now. I think Struble remains #7 Dman Xhekaj gets more development time I don’t want to spend very much at all and a veteran Dman shouldn’t be that costly. I don’t think we need a top 4 necessarily just a steady player As for scoring, I agree that it’s a problem. I think much of the scoring problems are because of terrible transitions and breakouts though. I think this way because we are scoring on the PP. I expect Roy to get a shot at Armia’s spot soon and maybe that helps too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted October 26, 2024 Share Posted October 26, 2024 I wouldn’t be thinking in terms of top-4, unless we get a lucky strike. More a bottom-pairing guy on a decent team. All we need is a dude who can play 15 minutes without being terrible. Just like Kovacevic, in other words. He was dealt for a 4th-round pick, hardly “significant assets.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted October 26, 2024 Share Posted October 26, 2024 3 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: I wouldn’t be thinking in terms of top-4, unless we get a lucky strike. More a bottom-pairing guy on a decent team. All we need is a dude who can play 15 minutes without being terrible. Just like Kovacevic, in other words. He was dealt for a 4th-round pick, hardly “significant assets.” And once in a while you do get a lucky strike. Hard to believe Florida got Gustav Forsling on waivers. Had by far the best plus/minus (+56) in the NHL last year. A prime example of not giving up on a D too early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted October 26, 2024 Share Posted October 26, 2024 3 hours ago, GHT120 said: Maybe because Barron is a third pairing defenceman? Maybe he is. But maybe Hughes still believes that he can be more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted October 26, 2024 Share Posted October 26, 2024 1 hour ago, tomh009 said: Maybe he is. But maybe Hughes still believes that he can be more than that. Perhaps ... but that relates to him being on the roster ... Hughes isn't playing him on the top pairing ... not that MSL has many options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted October 26, 2024 Share Posted October 26, 2024 1 hour ago, tomh009 said: Maybe he is. But maybe Hughes still believes that he can be more than that. For me the bottom line for Barron is that he has to play. He can't go to Laval so the Habs need to know if there is an NHL defensemen there. He certainly has offensive talent. It's up to Barron to take the ball (ie puck) and run (skate) with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted October 26, 2024 Share Posted October 26, 2024 And regardless whether he can play top pairing today, the most important question is whether he can be 1RD or 2RD in the future. If he can be 2RD or better, then we should be in pretty good shape for RD in the longer term, with Mailloux and Reinbacher also on the depth chart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted October 26, 2024 Share Posted October 26, 2024 7 hours ago, GHT120 said: Maybe because Barron is a third pairing defenceman? Barrons is a 4D-5D defenseman. With an intriguing offensive potential but lacking top-4 defensive skill. A bit like Kulak was earlier in his career 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted October 27, 2024 Share Posted October 27, 2024 On 10/25/2024 at 8:29 PM, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: So let's say you trade for a RD. What do you do with Barron when Guhle comes back? Or do you move Guhle back to LD? Or maybe one of the young D is part of a trade. They are not giving away half decent RD. I don't like the fact that Hughes might be trading from a position of desperation. Maybe he is just kicking tires. We need a more legit RHD. Now's not the time to get one, but Hughes does have to start making calls now so he knows who may be available when deals start going down. If we get one, we need to get a legit top 4 guy. I don't want a depth guy like Kovacevic. I really wish we had tried moving Matheson if it there was a chance to get Buium, or Yakamechak, or even another left D like Dickenson. We'd have a hole right now; but I'd be more confident that by 2026-27, we'd have a legit D core. Right now the only two guys I'm confident will be part of the future are Hutson and Guhle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted October 27, 2024 Share Posted October 27, 2024 5 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: Barrons is a 4D-5D defenseman. With an intriguing offensive potential but lacking top-4 defensive skill. A bit like Kulak was earlier in his career Barron and Kulak are opposites. Kulak was solid defensively and moved the puck out of the zone well. He couldnt create offense. Barron creates offence but is bad defensively. They arent alike, the are opposites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted October 27, 2024 Share Posted October 27, 2024 2 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said: We need a more legit RHD. Now's not the time to get one though. I also don't want a depth guy like Kovacevic. I really wish we had tried moving Matheson if it there was a chance to get Buium, or Yakamechak, or even another left D like Dickenson. We'd have a hole right now; but I'd be more confident that by 2026-27, we'd have a legit D core. Right now the only two guys I'm confident will be part of the future are Hutson and Guhle. Id love to trade mattheson to teams with top 10 picks who wouldnt have given them up for mattheson too. Id also like to trade struble for Connor McDavid. You can like to make that trade but why are the other rebuilding teams doing it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted October 27, 2024 Share Posted October 27, 2024 1 minute ago, Commandant said: Id love to trade mattheson to teams with top 10 picks who wouldnt have given them up for mattheson too. Id also like to trade struble for Connor McDavid. You can like to make that trade but why are the other rebuilding teams doing it? I think Matheson - if he was made available at the draft would have brought a higher return than Sergechev. Better numbers and contract. And comparing moving Matheson for a top ten pick to moving struble for McDavid is just idiotic. Hell, it was reported that there was. Tram that was willing to give up a late 1st rounder for wifi, you don't think a 60+ point dman making $4.5m is worth more?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted October 27, 2024 Share Posted October 27, 2024 Sergachev got a prospect who.wasnt doing much *geekie* and a 2nd round pick. Thats not comparable to a top 12 pick to get Dickinson or Buium. There is a chasm of difference. Also there was not a report that teams were going to give a first for wifi. The report was a team offered a prospect who was a former first round pick. Thats not the same thing. If we traded Filip Mesar today, sure hes a former first round pick but his value is not the same as getting a 2025 first rounder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted October 27, 2024 Share Posted October 27, 2024 7 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said: We need a more legit RHD. Now's not the time to get one, but Hughes does have to start making calls now so he knows who may be available when deals start going down. If we get one, we need to get a legit top 4 guy. I don't want a depth guy like Kovacevic. I really wish we had tried moving Matheson if it there was a chance to get Buium, or Yakamechak, or even another left D like Dickenson. We'd have a hole right now; but I'd be more confident that by 2026-27, we'd have a legit D core. Right now the only two guys I'm confident will be part of the future are Hutson and Guhle. i dont think Hughes is making a move at any point in this early season. The reports were meant to light a fire... getting a prospect that you suggested would cost significant pieces. imagine we made a play for a top 5 prospect in the world like Buium... Buium at 12 was an absolute steal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted October 27, 2024 Share Posted October 27, 2024 20 minutes ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said: i dont think Hughes is making a move at any point in this early season. The reports were meant to light a fire... getting a prospect that you suggested would cost significant pieces. imagine we made a play for a top 5 prospect in the world like Buium... Buium at 12 was an absolute steal I'm willing to pay for a long term hole fix. Nemic would be a really wonderful addition to our defence. He wouldn’t be cheap but perhaps there is a deal to be had that doesn’t require our top 6 going back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted October 27, 2024 Share Posted October 27, 2024 23 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: I'm willing to pay for a long term hole fix. Nemic would be a really wonderful addition to our defence. He wouldn’t be cheap but perhaps there is a deal to be had that doesn’t require our top 6 going back. oh don't get me wrong, i would take Buium in a heart beat and would pay as well, and give up any Dman we have currently not named Guhle or Hutson but getting him for Matheson just wouldn't do it... maybe add Hage and an unprotected 1st. but even that might not be enough. And Hage could also turn into a steal at 21 Nemec would of course be less of a payment, but i don't think another 19/20 yr old dman is what we need at the end of the day. if a dman is coming in, it would be experience to shield the kids still growing their game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted October 27, 2024 Share Posted October 27, 2024 2 hours ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said: i dont think Hughes is making a move at any point in this early season. The reports were meant to light a fire... Good point, maybe it's just talk to get the guys going, the D played much better last night. I am very confident Hughes won't make a panic move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted October 27, 2024 Share Posted October 27, 2024 1 hour ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said: oh don't get me wrong, i would take Buium in a heart beat and would pay as well, and give up any Dman we have currently not named Guhle or Hutson but getting him for Matheson just wouldn't do it... maybe add Hage and an unprotected 1st. but even that might not be enough. And Hage could also turn into a steal at 21 Nemec would of course be less of a payment, but i don't think another 19/20 yr old dman is what we need at the end of the day. if a dman is coming in, it would be experience to shield the kids still growing their game. Giving up Hage and an unprotected 1st plus Matheson for a prospect that was drafted 12th overall. Holy over payment Batman!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted October 27, 2024 Share Posted October 27, 2024 3 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Giving up Hage and an unprotected 1st plus Matheson for a prospect that was drafted 12th overall. Holy over payment Batman!! Habs probably picking 5th-10th next summer, with a mid-late 1st and could use 2nds/3rds to move up again. And guess will add more picks at deadline, but kinda hope they dont make any big deal this early in season. NHL Entry Draft Picks - Habs Prospects 2025 1st round pick - Montréal 1st round pick - Montréal (from Calgary - Monahan trade) 2nd round pick - Montréal 2nd round pick - Montréal (from Pittsburgh - Petry trade) 3rd round pick - Montréal 3rd round pick - Montréal (from Vancouver - DeSmith trade) 3rd round pick - Montréal (from New Jersey - Allen trade) 4th round pick - Montréal 4th round pick - Montréal (from Detroit or from Detroit via Boston - Petry trade) 5th round pick - Montréal 6th round pick - Montréal 7th round pick - Montréal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted October 27, 2024 Share Posted October 27, 2024 34 minutes ago, DON said: Habs probably picking 5th-10th next summer, with a mid-late 1st and could use 2nds/3rds to move up again. And guess will add more picks at deadline, but kinda hope they dont make any big deal this early in season. NHL Entry Draft Picks - Habs Prospects 2025 1st round pick - Montréal 1st round pick - Montréal (from Calgary - Monahan trade) 2nd round pick - Montréal 2nd round pick - Montréal (from Pittsburgh - Petry trade) 3rd round pick - Montréal 3rd round pick - Montréal (from Vancouver - DeSmith trade) 3rd round pick - Montréal (from New Jersey - Allen trade) 4th round pick - Montréal 4th round pick - Montréal (from Detroit or from Detroit via Boston - Petry trade) 5th round pick - Montréal 6th round pick - Montréal 7th round pick - Montréal Agreed. I am always happy to see Pittsburgh lose as a high 2nd round pick is a good bargaining chip. Hughes has a lot of extra chips at his disposal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 I agrée with this take on Tuch. IMHO, sending back Kapanen to Europe to finish developing there and calling up Tuch for 4th line duties will be good for the team’s future Je serai le premier surpris si Luke Tuch n'obtient pas un rappel chez le Canadien cette année. Encore une solide prestation de sa part ce soir. Sa pression constante a embêté voir carrément intimidé l'adversaire toute la soirée.— Anthony Marcotte (@anthonymarcotte) October 31, 2024 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plutarch Posted November 2, 2024 Share Posted November 2, 2024 I think we should move Matheson for a more responsible player of a similar age. Find a team that wants a little more offense from their back end. Maybe we don't trade for a dfd but just a more reliable guy than Matheson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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