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4 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:

Why can’t we get a top 4 LD instead?

 

Put Xhekaj in Laval and keep Guhle on the right for now. 
 

Matheson - Barron

Hutson - Guhle 

New guy - Savard

Maybe because Barron is a third pairing defenceman?

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52 minutes ago, DON said:

Basically was what we started with, or knew they would start and also that there would be alot of youth & mistakes.

 

 

 

6 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

Maybe because Barron is a third pairing defenceman?


Perhaps a veteran LD to play with either Barron or Savard. Although I think Barron has played much better since being paired with Matheson. 
 

Basically it boils down to replacing Xhekaj and Struble with a steady veteran for this season  and maybe next. 
 

Only suggesting LD because RD is far more costly. But either way a steady veteran would help right now. 

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5 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:

Why can’t we get a top 4 LD instead?

 

Put Xhekaj in Laval and keep Guhle on the right for now. 
 

Matheson - Barron

Hutson - Guhle 

New guy - Savard

 

I think the last thing we need to do is spend significant assets on a LD just because Arber has had a poor start to the year. Do you send Struble back down as well? 

 

It's very costly to get a top 4LD or RD. Secondary scoring is a bigger problem right now. 

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6 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

 

I think the last thing we need to do is spend significant assets on a LD just because Arber has had a poor start to the year. Do you send Struble back down as well? 

 

It's very costly to get a top 4LD or RD. Secondary scoring is a bigger problem right now. 


I think Struble remains #7 Dman

 

Xhekaj gets more development time 

 

I don’t want to spend very much at all and a veteran Dman shouldn’t be that costly. 
 

I don’t think we need a top 4 necessarily just a steady player 

 

As for scoring, I agree that it’s a problem. I think much of the scoring problems are because of terrible transitions and breakouts though. I think this way because we are scoring on the PP. 

 

I expect Roy to get a shot at Armia’s spot soon and maybe that helps too. 

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I wouldn’t be thinking in terms of top-4, unless we get a lucky strike. More a bottom-pairing guy on a decent team. All we need is a dude who can play 15 minutes without being terrible. Just like Kovacevic, in other words. He was dealt for a 4th-round pick, hardly “significant assets.” 

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3 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

I wouldn’t be thinking in terms of top-4, unless we get a lucky strike. More a bottom-pairing guy on a decent team. All we need is a dude who can play 15 minutes without being terrible. Just like Kovacevic, in other words. He was dealt for a 4th-round pick, hardly “significant assets.” 

 

And once in a while you do get a lucky strike. Hard to believe Florida got Gustav Forsling on waivers. Had by far the best plus/minus (+56) in the NHL last year. A prime example of not giving up on a D too early. 

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1 hour ago, tomh009 said:

Maybe he is. But maybe Hughes still believes that he can be more than that.

Perhaps ... but that relates to him being on the roster ... Hughes isn't playing him on the top pairing ... not that

MSL has many options.

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1 hour ago, tomh009 said:

Maybe he is. But maybe Hughes still believes that he can be more than that.

 

For me the bottom line for Barron is that he has to play. He can't go to Laval so the Habs need to know if there is an NHL defensemen there. He certainly has offensive talent. It's up to Barron to take the ball (ie puck) and run (skate) with it. 

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And regardless whether he can play top pairing today, the most important question is whether he can be 1RD or 2RD in the future. If he can be 2RD or better, then we should be in pretty good shape for RD in the longer term, with Mailloux and Reinbacher also on the depth chart.

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7 hours ago, GHT120 said:

Maybe because Barron is a third pairing defenceman?

Barrons is a 4D-5D defenseman. With an intriguing offensive potential but lacking top-4 defensive skill. A bit like Kulak was earlier in his career  

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On 10/25/2024 at 8:29 PM, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

So let's say you trade for a RD. What do you do with Barron when Guhle comes back? Or do you move Guhle back to LD? Or maybe one of the young D is part of a trade. They are not giving away half decent RD. I don't like the fact that Hughes might be trading from a position of desperation. Maybe he is just kicking tires.

We need a more legit RHD. Now's not the time to get one, but Hughes does have to start making calls now so he knows who may be available when deals start going down. If we get one, we need to get a legit top 4 guy. I don't want a depth guy like Kovacevic. I really wish we had tried moving Matheson if it there was a chance to get Buium, or Yakamechak, or even another left D like Dickenson. We'd have a hole right now; but I'd be more confident that by 2026-27, we'd have a legit D core. Right now the only two guys I'm confident will be part of the future are Hutson and Guhle.

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5 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said:

Barrons is a 4D-5D defenseman. With an intriguing offensive potential but lacking top-4 defensive skill. A bit like Kulak was earlier in his career  

 

Barron and Kulak are opposites.  Kulak was solid defensively and moved the puck out of the zone well.  He couldnt create offense.

 

Barron creates offence but is bad defensively.

 

They arent alike, the are opposites.

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2 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:

We need a more legit RHD. Now's not the time to get one though. I also don't want a depth guy like Kovacevic. I really wish we had tried moving Matheson if it there was a chance to get Buium, or Yakamechak, or even another left D like Dickenson. We'd have a hole right now; but I'd be more confident that by 2026-27, we'd have a legit D core. Right now the only two guys I'm confident will be part of the future are Hutson and Guhle.

 

Id love to trade mattheson to teams with top 10 picks who wouldnt have given them up for mattheson too.

 

Id also like to trade struble for Connor McDavid.  

 

You can like to make that trade but why are the other rebuilding teams doing it?

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1 minute ago, Commandant said:

 

Id love to trade mattheson to teams with top 10 picks who wouldnt have given them up for mattheson too.

 

Id also like to trade struble for Connor McDavid.  

 

You can like to make that trade but why are the other rebuilding teams doing it?

I think Matheson - if he was made available at the draft would have brought a higher return than Sergechev. Better numbers and contract. And comparing moving Matheson for a top ten pick to moving struble for McDavid is just idiotic.

 

Hell, it was reported that there was. Tram that was willing to give up a late 1st rounder for wifi, you don't think a 60+ point dman making $4.5m is worth more?? 

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Sergachev got a prospect who.wasnt doing much *geekie* and a 2nd round pick.  Thats not comparable to a top 12 pick to get Dickinson or Buium.  There is a chasm of difference.

 

Also there was not a report that teams were going to give a first for wifi.  The report was a team offered a prospect who was a former first round pick.  Thats not the same thing.  If we traded Filip Mesar today, sure hes a former first round pick but his value is not the same as getting a 2025 first rounder.

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7 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said:

We need a more legit RHD. Now's not the time to get one, but Hughes does have to start making calls now so he knows who may be available when deals start going down. If we get one, we need to get a legit top 4 guy. I don't want a depth guy like Kovacevic. I really wish we had tried moving Matheson if it there was a chance to get Buium, or Yakamechak, or even another left D like Dickenson. We'd have a hole right now; but I'd be more confident that by 2026-27, we'd have a legit D core. Right now the only two guys I'm confident will be part of the future are Hutson and Guhle.

i dont think Hughes is making a move at any point in this early season. The reports were meant to light a fire...

 

getting a prospect that you suggested would cost significant pieces. imagine we made a play for a top 5 prospect in the world like Buium... Buium at 12 was an absolute steal

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20 minutes ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said:

 

i dont think Hughes is making a move at any point in this early season. The reports were meant to light a fire...

 

getting a prospect that you suggested would cost significant pieces. imagine we made a play for a top 5 prospect in the world like Buium... Buium at 12 was an absolute steal


I'm willing to pay for a long term hole fix. 
 

Nemic would be a really wonderful addition to our defence. He wouldn’t be cheap but perhaps there is a deal to be had that doesn’t require our top 6 going back. 
 

 

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23 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:


I'm willing to pay for a long term hole fix. 
 

Nemic would be a really wonderful addition to our defence. He wouldn’t be cheap but perhaps there is a deal to be had that doesn’t require our top 6 going back. 
 

 

oh don't get me wrong, i would take Buium in a heart beat and would pay as well, and give up any Dman we have currently not named Guhle or Hutson 

 

but getting him for Matheson just wouldn't do it... maybe add Hage and an unprotected 1st. but even that might not be enough. And Hage could also turn into a steal at 21

 

Nemec would of course be less of a payment, but i don't think another 19/20 yr old dman is what we need at the end of the day. if a dman is coming in, it would be experience to shield the kids still growing their game.

 

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2 hours ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said:

 

i dont think Hughes is making a move at any point in this early season. The reports were meant to light a fire...

 

Good  point, maybe it's just talk to get the guys going, the D played much better last night. I am very confident Hughes won't make a panic move. 

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1 hour ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said:

oh don't get me wrong, i would take Buium in a heart beat and would pay as well, and give up any Dman we have currently not named Guhle or Hutson 

 

but getting him for Matheson just wouldn't do it... maybe add Hage and an unprotected 1st. but even that might not be enough. And Hage could also turn into a steal at 21

 

Nemec would of course be less of a payment, but i don't think another 19/20 yr old dman is what we need at the end of the day. if a dman is coming in, it would be experience to shield the kids still growing their game.

 

 

Giving up Hage and an unprotected 1st plus Matheson for a prospect that was drafted 12th overall.  Holy over payment Batman!!

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3 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

 

Giving up Hage and an unprotected 1st plus Matheson for a prospect that was drafted 12th overall.  Holy over payment Batman!!

 

Habs probably picking 5th-10th next summer, with a mid-late 1st and could use 2nds/3rds to move up again. And guess will add more picks at deadline, but kinda hope they dont make any big deal this early in season.

 

NHL Entry Draft Picks - Habs Prospects

2025
1st round pick - Montréal
1st round pick - Montréal (from Calgary - Monahan trade)
2nd round pick - Montréal
2nd round pick - Montréal (from Pittsburgh - Petry trade)
3rd round pick - Montréal
3rd round pick - Montréal (from Vancouver - DeSmith trade)
3rd round pick - Montréal (from New Jersey - Allen trade)
4th round pick - Montréal
4th round pick - Montréal (from Detroit or from Detroit via Boston - Petry trade)
5th round pick - Montréal
6th round pick - Montréal

7th round pick - Montréal

 

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34 minutes ago, DON said:

 

Habs probably picking 5th-10th next summer, with a mid-late 1st and could use 2nds/3rds to move up again. And guess will add more picks at deadline, but kinda hope they dont make any big deal this early in season.

 

NHL Entry Draft Picks - Habs Prospects

2025
1st round pick - Montréal
1st round pick - Montréal (from Calgary - Monahan trade)
2nd round pick - Montréal
2nd round pick - Montréal (from Pittsburgh - Petry trade)
3rd round pick - Montréal
3rd round pick - Montréal (from Vancouver - DeSmith trade)
3rd round pick - Montréal (from New Jersey - Allen trade)
4th round pick - Montréal
4th round pick - Montréal (from Detroit or from Detroit via Boston - Petry trade)
5th round pick - Montréal
6th round pick - Montréal

7th round pick - Montréal

 

 

Agreed. I am always happy to see Pittsburgh lose as a high 2nd round pick is a good bargaining chip. Hughes has a lot of extra chips at his disposal. 

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I agrée with this take on Tuch. IMHO, sending back Kapanen to Europe to finish developing there and calling up Tuch for 4th line duties will be good for the team’s future 

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