GHT120 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 24 minutes ago, Helmethead said: With the on going situation in Vancouver I’m surprised no one has brought up what we’d think it would cost to pry on of Miller or Petterson off their hands. Would love to hear what you think @Commandant Would our resident Vancouverite @The Chicoutimi Cucumber be kind enough to tell us what the talking heads out west are saying? My two cents ... because of age, I have more interest in Pettersson ... ASSUMING HuGo are satisfied about all the "stuff" going round about Elias ... I would propose Matheson, Evans, their choice of Gallagher or Anderson and the later of the Habs/Flames 2025 first rounders for Pettersson and Desharnais (prepping for Savard's departure) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Petey has $11.6m/yr +what needed in trade, but would look darn good in a Hab jersey. What would Oilers offer for Savard? Oilers Expected To Wait Until Deadline To Add Defenseman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanes World Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Starting point would be Suzuki, I’m sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmethead Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 45 minutes ago, DON said: Petey has $11.6m/yr +what needed in trade, but would look darn good in a Hab jersey. What would Oilers offer for Savard? Oilers Expected To Wait Until Deadline To Add Defenseman it’s that 11.6 that scares the pants off of me to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 13 hours ago, Helmethead said: With the on going situation in Vancouver I’m surprised no one has brought up what we’d think it would cost to pry on of Miller or Petterson off their hands. Would love to hear what you think @Commandant Would our resident Vancouverite @The Chicoutimi Cucumber be kind enough to tell us what the talking heads out west are saying? Hey, thanks for asking. Not that I have any privileged insight. The Miller v Pettersson thing has to be crazy serious. It has presumably affected EP’s play - he’s been a ghost of himself since the second half of last season and was absolutely a nonentity during the playoffs, while Miller took that bizarre leave of absence earlier this season. Miller is 31, so he is obviously not a player we’d be in on. I hear the Rangers are very interested, and that makes a lot more sense. He is an absolute stud. (On the other hand, he seems to be a bit of a bully vis-a-vis Pettersson). Pettersson is 26, so he’s within our window, although a year or two younger would be nice. Suzuki would be the ask. We should refuse that IMHO. EP has a higher offensive ceiling but has shown none of Slick Nick’s consistency. Now it may be that, freed of Miller’s shadow, he will emerge as a truly consistent, all-around 100-point leader. Or, maybe the fragile guy we’ve seen in Van is the real Elias Pettersson. I’m not trading Suzuki for a guy who comes with any question marks, even if that guy is super-talented. The Canucks are really weak on D after Hughes/Hronek, so Lane Hutson would also be of great interest to them. I could conceive of a Hutson/Dach combo *maybe* being something Van would ponder; the cap hits would be tantalizing at least. (It’s too bad Dach has been so terrible, otherwise this deal would be more attractive to Van). But I’m not sure I would do that either, because trading Hutson removes the #1 D from our rebuild structure. The REAL deal with Vancouver involves Mattheson, who is exactly what they need. But I can’t see Pettersson as part of that configuration; short of throwing in Caufield, it’s too imbalanced, and I don’t want to trade Caufield either. (Maybe Vancouver is interested in Slafkosky?? But they’re kind of in “win now” mode; acquiring a galoot who has done nothing all season doesn’t help). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 https://x.com/CheeringTheLogo/status/1875703624355254402?t=xuyFHkg87w_cLd5NrPSaIA&s=19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 I dont know what Vancouver wants. I mean they want to be a playoff team. The typical type of deal here is Montrealsl's 1st, a top prospect and a roster player kinda deal, and its usually made around draft time as opposed to in season. The fact that we are in season and Vancouver is a contender changes things significantly. Mattheson would have to be the starting point. I still think our 1st would have to be involved. Maybe they take Josh Anderson One of the 2nd rounders as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 2 hours ago, Lanes World said: Starting point would be Suzuki, I’m sure I wouldnt do.that. not even 1 for 1 considering contracts, defensive contribution and chemistry with caufield, and leadership issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 7 minutes ago, Commandant said: https://x.com/CheeringTheLogo/status/1875703624355254402?t=xuyFHkg87w_cLd5NrPSaIA&s=19 The issue, as has already been discussed extensively, will come down to what Evans wants (AAV and term) and how that fits into HuGo's mid/long-term cap plans, next year should be no issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanes World Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 3 minutes ago, Commandant said: I wouldnt do.that. not even 1 for 1 considering contracts, defensive contribution and chemistry with caufield, and leadership issues. I wouldn’t go near that either. With that being said, I’ve never really watched Petterson play. The whole situation makes me wonder if putting both of Peterson and miller on the trade block just boosts Millers trade value instead of dropping it with him being a “tough teammate”…. Peterson isn’t actually for sale, Vancouver brass just doesn’t want to diminish value on Miller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 minute ago, Lanes World said: I wouldn’t go near that either. With that being said, I’ve never really watched Petterson play. The whole situation makes me wonder if putting both of Peterson and miller on the trade block just boosts Millers trade value instead of dropping it with him being a “tough teammate”…. Peterson isn’t actually for sale, Vancouver brass just doesn’t want to diminish value on Miller. Interesting theory ... I seem to recall there having been past "alleged issues" regarding Miller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanes World Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Miller’s stats look unreal, but I remember hearing stuff too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 20 minutes ago, Commandant said: I dont know what Vancouver wants. I mean they want to be a playoff team. The typical type of deal here is Montrealsl's 1st, a top prospect and a roster player kinda deal, and its usually made around draft time as opposed to in season. The fact that we are in season and Vancouver is a contender changes things significantly. Mattheson would have to be the starting point. I still think our 1st would have to be involved. Maybe they take Josh Anderson One of the 2nd rounders as well. If we can get Pettersson for MM and a 1st + change, we should jump at that like a kangaroo. In hockey terms at least. Not sure about the cap ramifications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanes World Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Don’t ask questions, make that move! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 The cap ramnifications are why you need to include Anderson. It also means you are immediately searching for a 22 minute all situations defenceman. This isnt to say Im against such a move, just that there is a downside too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 21 minutes ago, Commandant said: I wouldnt do.that. not even 1 for 1 considering contracts, defensive contribution and chemistry with caufield, and leadership issues. Agree 100%, I don't think Peterrson is worth 11.6M/year, certainly not right now, whereas Suzuki is definitely worth every penny of his 7.8M/year, never mind the other considerations you mentioned, ie. leadership, chemistry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanes World Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 That’s what Petterson makes? That’s a lot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Just now, Lanes World said: That’s what Petterson makes? That’s a lot Any trade, or UFA signing, they make for an impact player will be more than Suzuki makes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 2 minutes ago, Lanes World said: That’s what Petterson makes? That’s a lot It is a lot and a big consideration. Not sure Montreal is the right market for him. Miller on the other hand is a beast, would probably thrive almost anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 I do not think huge trades involving players that are expected to be on the team in 2029-30 or huge trades that would throw off the salary cap balance are in the works. Matheson and Anderson contracts leaving, yes, but bringing in huge contracts, no. We have plenty of talent that will be needing raises in the next four years. This team is very close to being formed. When Anderson and Gallagher contracts expire we will be well on our way. We can’t throw a monkey wrench into the team chemistry and hierarchy now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 2 hours ago, Butterface said: I do not think huge trades involving players that are expected to be on the team in 2029-30 or huge trades that would throw off the salary cap balance are in the works. Matheson and Anderson contracts leaving, yes, but bringing in huge contracts, no. We have plenty of talent that will be needing raises in the next four years. This team is very close to being formed. When Anderson and Gallagher contracts expire we will be well on our way. We can’t throw a monkey wrench into the team chemistry and hierarchy now. I agree. This road trip indicated the Habs are getting closer, plus we have Demidov coming in next year. The chemistry right now is good. They would have to think long and hard about taking on a big contract that might upset things. It would really have to be the right deal. I am confident Hughes won't make a bad decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 This dude is available. Dont know much about him. Is he better than Pez ? https://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/articles/kent_hughes_has_a_golden_opportunity_to_claim_talented_forward_for_free_after_waiver_placement/s1_17452_41522604 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Great shot. Some offence there. Defence is horrible though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Just a note on JT Miller I believe it was Friedman that reported Miller wants to play in America and expect Canadian teams to be on his 15 team no trade list. I agree with the opinion that Matheson is our only starting point in a Pettersson trade. I personally wouldn’t be willing to pay the price required for Pettersson but it sure is intriguing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 23 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: I agree with the opinion that Matheson is our only starting point in a Pettersson trade. I personally wouldn’t be willing to pay the price required for Pettersson but it sure is intriguing If a trade for Pettersson happens and Suzuki isn't involved, not that I remotely think he should be, it also signals Montreal has given up on Dach as the second line center. Then the question becomes, what's the plans for Dach and Newhook? You'd have to assume Montreal doesn't want either to be 3rd line guys considering the price that was paid for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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