Commandant Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 3 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: In terms of trading Allen, is that even wise? We don’t know with certainty that Carey Price will play again. Even if he does, we don’t know how durable or effective he will be. And even before this latest injury, Price-Montembault would have been a reversion to the terrible pattern of the pre-Allen era, where Price has to play 65 games because the other guy can’t be trusted. Price is too old and too broken-down to be able to do that. Folks will say “who cares? It’s a rebuild.” But we also want our young players to develop confidence and the belief that their team can compete. Sabotage a team with bad goaltending and you risk undermining the “winning culture” that Hugh-Gort are trying to build. I’d suggests that we want a configuration in net that is at least average. I’m not sure Carey Price and a C-grade goalie can do that. Given that this team will not be ready to compete before Allen's contract expires, and that he's on a very friendly deal that many teams can get under the cap with, I'm fine with moving him if the return is right and then signing another Backup goalie in the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 35 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said: They have cap space too but not sure they would add him since they're in a 20 year rebuild plan 😂😹😹 Is it only 20? LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Is it only 20? LOL 20 years remaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted February 17, 2022 Author Share Posted February 17, 2022 4 hours ago, Habsfan89 said: I think Detroit would be the best trading partner with us in a trade for Petry. It's his home town, they got 10mil in cap space so we wouldn't have to take back any of his salary cap, plus they got 4 ufa's on d so they would need a puck mover like Petry that's under contract. If Montreal is going to sell lower than we think, Detroit makes sense. While they have the money, Yzerman doesn't seem to be interested in adding to his veteran core just yet; they'll be selling at the deadline, not buying. If it's a straight cap dump, I could see Detroit wanting him but I think they're putting a pretty high price tag on him which probably scares off any non-contenders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan89 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Would PHX do this trade To PHX Petry To habs Our 1st and 2nd picks back, hults and gostisbehere Their going to trade Chychrun would need a guy like Petry on the back end or they can flip him somewhere else next year or year after? Taking gostisbehere is to lesson the cap for Arizona so we wouldn't have to take back salary. 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Arizona is not trading picks or prospects for defencemen in their mid 30s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted February 18, 2022 Author Share Posted February 18, 2022 15 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said: Would PHX do this trade To PHX Petry To habs Our 1st and 2nd picks back, hults and gostisbehere Their going to trade Chychrun would need a guy like Petry on the back end or they can flip him somewhere else next year or year after? Taking gostisbehere is to lesson the cap for Arizona so we wouldn't have to take back salary. 🤔 The Coyotes are in full-scale rebuild. They'd never trade picks away for a declining veteran. If they move Chychrun, they'll probably wind up taking a cap dump defenceman back that will be his replacement until their prospects are ready to move up. Arizona is telling teams that they'll take on big contracts but those deals will need picks attached to them; they're not going to trade picks away to get them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Any chance Rangers would trade this young guy to Habs, instead of a pick, for an older Hab? https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=202373 Braden Schneider Defense -- shoots R Born Sep 20 2001 -- Prince Albert, SASK [20 yrs. ago] Height 6.02 -- Weight 202 [188 cm/92 kg] Drafted by New York Rangers - round 1 #19 overall 2020 NHL Entry Draft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted February 19, 2022 Author Share Posted February 19, 2022 I think Montreal would like that but I'm not sure the Rangers would want to part with him over some of their other defensive prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Just saw noted, they have RH Fox & Trouba and some other RH d prospect, so could afford to deal him? And just seems like would be a great fit on rebuilding Habs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 With the news of Muzzin on LTIR, I want to tweak my trade proposal with TOR. I think they will make a desperate move to perform well in the playoff: From @mirtle ⤵️ https://t.co/AO7ksIBOm9 — Pierre LeBrun (@PierreVLeBrun) February 24, 2022 To Toronto: * Jeff Petry (34yr, $6.25M->2025) To Montreal: * Holl (30yr, $2,0M ->2023) * Topi Niemela (RD drafted #64 in 2020) * 1st round pick in 2022 I really believe Petry is meant to be a Toronto Maple Leaf. He has that blue glow around him... and the white and blue attitude On 2/8/2022 at 12:11 PM, alfredoh2009 said: These was my thinking on Petry to TOR: "GM Kyle Dubas said on Sunday that he wants to wait to find out “exactly” what the Maple Leafs need, but just shy of six weeks to the deadline, it appears clear from here. The Leafs need a right-shooting defenseman to partner with Jake Muzzin and shore up Toronto’s second pair." https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/frank-seravalli-trade-deadline-war-room-atlantic-division-objectives/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 hour ago, alfredoh2009 said: ... To Toronto: * Jeff Petry (34yr, $6.25M->2025) To Montreal: * Holl (30yr, $2,0M ->2023) * Topi Niemela (RD drafted #64 in 2020) * 1st round pick in 2022 I really believe Petry is meant to be a Toronto Maple Leaf. He has that blue glow around him... and the white and blue attitude I see your logic, but don't know that Toronto would want three more years of Petry ... per CapFriendly, they only (currently) have $8.7M in cap space for next season with only 13 players on the NHL roster ... Petry would drop that to $4.45M. AND Given Petry's very recent improved play (admittedly not difficult) I don't know that (a) a better return might not be available soon and (b) I want to see him with the LAFFS for three seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, GHT120 said: I see your logic, but don't know that Toronto would want three more years of Petry ... they only (currently) have $1.7M in cap space for next season with only 10 players on the NHL roster ... AND ... given Petry's very recent improved play (admittedly not difficult) I don't know that (a) a better return might not be available soon and (b) I want to see him with the LAFFS for three seasons. (b) he belongs there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Just now, alfredoh2009 said: (b) he belongs there Perhaps ... but if gets his head straight I don't really want him playing the Habs in blue&white Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 11 minutes ago, GHT120 said: Given Petry's very recent improved play (admittedly not difficult) I don't know that (a) a better return might not be available soon and (b) I want to see him with the LAFFS for three seasons. I think that would be a good return for Petry, I just don't think he would want to go to another Canadian team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted February 24, 2022 Author Share Posted February 24, 2022 20 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I think that would be a good return for Petry, I just don't think he would want to go to another Canadian team. That's certainly true and as GHT mentioned, they simply can't make the cap work beyond this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, dlbalr said: That's certainly true and as GHT mentioned, they simply can't make the cap work beyond this season. Yes, Toronto would have some work to do to make it fit next year. I guess it might depend on what Muzzin decides to do long term if his health is compromised, hopefully he recovers fully. Petry is not an easy trade to make to almost any team for just that reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 I know that the cap doesn't work next season, but the Leafs either make it to the finals or they fire everyone and re-set. In either case, they will need to change their roster and decide if they make room for Petry or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: I know that the cap doesn't work next season, but the Leafs either make it to the finals or they fire everyone and re-set. In either case, they will need to change their roster and decide if they make room for Petry or not. Agreed, there is a lot of pressure on the Leafs to advance this year, Dubas must feel like his time is running out. If Muzzin is on LTIR until the end of the year then it is almost guaranteed they will make a big move this year and try and work things out next year for the cap. I thought the trade proposal was pretty reasonable and I would take it if I were the Habs GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted February 24, 2022 Author Share Posted February 24, 2022 11 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: I know that the cap doesn't work next season, but the Leafs either make it to the finals or they fire everyone and re-set. In either case, they will need to change their roster and decide if they make room for Petry or not. Taking a 'we'll worry about the cap next season' approach isn't a viable strategy to team-building (for most teams, at least). Backing yourself into a corner on the cap would undoubtedly hurt their leverage last summer and Dubas, as we've seen, isn't great in those situations (paying a 1st to getting out of Marleau's contract, caving to Nylander, the deals for Matthews/Marner, etc). This Muzzin thing gives them some short-term flexibility but if they add someone with term, it'll be for someone on a team-friendly deal. At any point, it's moot as there's no possible way that Petry, whose trade request stems in part for family reasons due to COVID restrictions, would accept a trade to another Canadian jurisdiction that basically has had the same COVID restrictions as Montreal has. Kind of defeats the purpose of the trade request. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 13 minutes ago, dlbalr said: Taking a 'we'll worry about the cap next season' approach isn't a viable strategy to team-building (for most teams, at least). Backing yourself into a corner on the cap would undoubtedly hurt their leverage last summer and Dubas, as we've seen, isn't great in those situations (paying a 1st to getting out of Marleau's contract, caving to Nylander, the deals for Matthews/Marner, etc). This Muzzin thing gives them some short-term flexibility but if they add someone with term, it'll be for someone on a team-friendly deal. At any point, it's moot as there's no possible way that Petry, whose trade request stems in part for family reasons due to COVID restrictions, would accept a trade to another Canadian jurisdiction that basically has had the same COVID restrictions as Montreal has. Kind of defeats the purpose of the trade request. That is true but there have been many examples (Marleau as you pointed out) where teams have taken the "lets win this year and worry about the cap next year" approach. Not a great strategy but that approach has happened before and will happen again. Leafs have about as much pressure to win as any organization right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 If they add a RH shot with the Muzzin money, its far more likely to be someone like John Klingberg, whose contract expires in the summer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 14 minutes ago, Commandant said: If they add a RH shot with the Muzzin money, its far more likely to be someone like John Klingberg, whose contract expires in the summer. Of course that would create a 20+ TOI hole on the blueline of a team chasing a wild card spot ... Petry might then fit there ... I expect Klinberg would only be moved if the Stars plummet and/or if they are certain they cannot re-sign him and need a longer-term replacement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 20 minutes ago, Commandant said: If they add a RH shot with the Muzzin money, its far more likely to be someone like John Klingberg, whose contract expires in the summer. Agreed, that would make more sense for the Leafs although it's hard to say what Dallas will do as they are very much in the hunt for a wild card spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 32 minutes ago, GHT120 said: Of course that would create a 20+ TOI hole on the blueline of a team chasing a wild card spot ... Petry might then fit there ... I expect Klinberg would only be moved if the Stars plummet and/or if they are certain they cannot re-sign him and need a longer-term replacement Dallas has all but admitted that they won't match his asking price, hence Klingberg's trade request. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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