GHT120 Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 50 minutes ago, Commandant said: The max fine is a CBA issue. So the NHLPA is pushing to.keep it low. When the NHL has wanted a salary cap, or max 8 year deals, or 50/50 hrr, or some other issue in CBA negotiations, the max fine has been an issue that they havent pushed. Its not the hill to.die on for the league. That is because they have NEVER shown that player safety is an issue about which they care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 2 hours ago, GHT120 said: That is because they have NEVER shown that player safety is an issue about which they care. What league has made it a CBA issue that they will fight against the union about? Most player safety issues come from the union, but thats better equipment, or changing rules like kickoffs in the NFL or something. Owners don't push for longer suspensions or bigger fines and the Union doesn't either. There is no incentive for either side to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted May 11, 2023 Author Share Posted May 11, 2023 Suspensions are not a CBA issue, are they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 2 hours ago, Commandant said: What league has made it a CBA issue that they will fight against the union about? Most player safety issues come from the union, but thats better equipment, or changing rules like kickoffs in the NFL or something. Owners don't push for longer suspensions or bigger fines and the Union doesn't either. There is no incentive for either side to do so. I hold the NHLPA equally at fault ... they represent only the "criminal" and never the "victim". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huzer Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 17 minutes ago, tomh009 said: Suspensions are not a CBA issue, are they? How do you mean? Supplementalary discipline is defined in the CBA in Article 18. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 18 minutes ago, tomh009 said: Suspensions are not a CBA issue, are they? Individually no ... but the parameters of the suspension process are covered by ARTICLE 18 - SUPPLEMENTARY DISCIPLINE FOR ON-ICE CONDUCT of the 2012 CBA, which was unchanged under the current MOU (B+CBA extension) ... it covers pages 116 through 123. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted May 11, 2023 Author Share Posted May 11, 2023 12 minutes ago, huzer said: How do you mean? Supplementalary discipline is defined in the CBA in Article 18. I checked the CBA now. The procedure is laid out there, but unlike fines, which are limited to $10K (less than 0.1% of a top player's salary) there are no limits on the length of the suspensions. It only takes guts by "player safety" to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huzer Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 26 minutes ago, tomh009 said: I checked the CBA now. The procedure is laid out there, but unlike fines, which are limited to $10K (less than 0.1% of a top player's salary) there are no limits on the length of the suspensions. It only takes guts by "player safety" to do that. Right, the "wheel of justice" is spun at the DoPS office and where ever it lands is what they pick. It's quite silly, honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 10 hours ago, GHT120 said: $500 fines ... it's playoff hockey. Giving the top playoff scorer a vicious slash with the game over and you have nothing to lose is a little more than playoff hockey. It was a pure cheap shot and not even close to the puck. If Nurse gets 1 game for instigating a fight with someone who is 6'6" then Piatrangelo is getting something and deservedly so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Giving the top playoff scorer a vicious slash with the game over and you have nothing to lose is a little more than playoff hockey. It was a pure cheap shot and not even close to the puck. If Nurse gets 1 game for instigating a fight with someone who is 6'6" then Piatrangelo is getting something and deservedly so. Apologies ... forgot to include <sarcasm on> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huzer Posted May 12, 2023 Share Posted May 12, 2023 One game suspension. Seems rather light to me. I mean he skates over to him with his stick already in position to deliver the whack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted May 12, 2023 Share Posted May 12, 2023 11 hours ago, tomh009 said: Sure, that's fair, but the fines are still negligible, it's like you or me paying a parking ticket. Make it 1% of salary to account for playoff games, but it should be big enough to inflict some pain and discourage the behaviour. It is an agreed upon amount by player-owners, so if thats what they want, so be it. They can agree to changes in a couple years, i think? Just seemed so pre-meditated and agregious. If Draisaitles arm had been broken, would of been a shiteshow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted May 12, 2023 Share Posted May 12, 2023 3 hours ago, GHT120 said: Apologies ... forgot to include <sarcasm on> No problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted May 12, 2023 Share Posted May 12, 2023 2 hours ago, huzer said: One game suspension. Seems rather light to me. I mean he skates over to him with his stick already in position to deliver the whack. I agree. One game is not enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Boagalott Posted May 12, 2023 Share Posted May 12, 2023 Well, that was certainly weird. Dallas just had one of those shots on net that looked like it might have gone it but bounced right out. They started celebrating but the ref immediately waived it off. The play went on, Kraken got the puck out and took it into the Stars zone when the buzzer went off . At 1st they kept playing until the refs blew the whistle and the game stopped. Apparently, it was reviewed in T.O. and the puck had gone in. I've never seen that happen before, not like that anyway. Usually, at the next stoppage they review it to make sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Boagalott Posted May 12, 2023 Share Posted May 12, 2023 6 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Giving the top playoff scorer a vicious slash with the game over and you have nothing to lose is a little more than playoff hockey. It was a pure cheap shot and not even close to the puck. If Nurse gets 1 game for instigating a fight with someone who is 6'6" then Piatrangelo is getting something and deservedly so. I'm surprised that some here said it wouldn't be a suspension for that. I realized that he wouldn't get much but he should get at least 2 games. Nurse shouldn't have 1 at all and I heard they are trying to appeal it but I'm not sure if they can. That was an automatic penalty and suspension due it happening in the last 5 mins of the game. Is completely ridiculous to give Nurse an instigator penalty when the other guy punched him 8 times before he started punching back. If anyone deserves the instigator penalty and suspension from that it should be Hague. 3 hours ago, huzer said: One game suspension. Seems rather light to me. I mean he skates over to him with his stick already in position to deliver the whack. I loved how the 1 analyst referred to him having his stick up in the air tickling the ceiling. The way he came down with his stick was like he was attempting a coup de grace on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted May 12, 2023 Share Posted May 12, 2023 Dang it, KK contract is looking decent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted May 12, 2023 Share Posted May 12, 2023 9 hours ago, Sir_Boagalott said: Well, that was certainly weird. Dallas just had one of those shots on net that looked like it might have gone it but bounced right out. They started celebrating but the ref immediately waived it off. The play went on, Kraken got the puck out and took it into the Stars zone when the buzzer went off . At 1st they kept playing until the refs blew the whistle and the game stopped. Apparently, it was reviewed in T.O. and the puck had gone in. I've never seen that happen before, not like that anyway. Usually, at the next stoppage they review it to make sure. That's a rule, actually. On plays like that, they do video review while the play is going and if it definitively went in, they signal down to stop play immediately. The last thing they want is for a penalty/injury to occur or even another goal to be scored once they know they have to move the clock back already, this rule limits the risk of that by blowing it down as soon as they know, not at the next whistle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 12, 2023 Share Posted May 12, 2023 21 hours ago, tomh009 said: Suspensions are not a CBA issue, are they? Yes they are including max fines max suspension lengths and when an in-person hearing is needed. when a suspension can be appealed and who hears the appeal what happens to a player's salary during the suspension. what happens to a cap hit during the suspension. These are all defined in the CBA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 12, 2023 Share Posted May 12, 2023 21 hours ago, tomh009 said: I checked the CBA now. The procedure is laid out there, but unlike fines, which are limited to $10K (less than 0.1% of a top player's salary) there are no limits on the length of the suspensions. It only takes guts by "player safety" to do that. You have the appeal procedures and precedents which the arbitrator takes into account I think it was tom wilson who recently had his suspension reduced by an arbitrator (ie last 5 years). Basically everything is based on precedent and if DOPS goes way outside precedent, expect an appeal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 12, 2023 Share Posted May 12, 2023 21 hours ago, GHT120 said: I hold the NHLPA equally at fault ... they represent only the "criminal" and never the "victim". Of course this is part of the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 Poor Leafs hanging in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmethead Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 No way is that a goal. And they’ll be crying about that alllllll summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmethead Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 Dubas gonna have an aneurysm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Boagalott Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 26 minutes ago, Helmethead said: No way is that a goal. And they’ll be crying about that alllllll summer. I think it did go in, but no angle definitively shows it cross the goal. However, he does push the goalies pad so if it did cross the line the Panthers would probably have a valid argument to challenge for goalie interference. It will totally suck if the Leafs lose the game over that call because we will hear Leaf fans whining about it forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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