Commandant Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 3 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Perhaps, I don't think Mailloux will ever be known as a defensive defensemen but I think he is fully capable of scoring 40-50 points/year at the NHL level. If he can do that then you can live with the odd brain cramp. Sure. We can live with the odd brain cramp. But calling Mailloux up now limits his ceiling to PP specialist like erik gustaffson. His defense right now is below that level. Let him marinate in laval if you want Matheson level. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 7 minutes ago, Commandant said: Sure. We can live with the odd brain cramp. But calling Mailloux up now limits his ceiling to PP specialist like erik gustaffson. His defense right now is below that level. Let him marinate in laval if you want Matheson level. I have no problem with Mailloux staying in Laval. He missed a lot of time in junior so he needs to play big minutes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 11 minutes ago, Commandant said: Hutson is much better defensively than Mailloux right now. I agree he is better defensively, his hockey IQ is tremendous which helps him read plays and anticipate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 Will be interesting to see what Hughes decides to do if Mailloux keeps piling up offense. 9pts in 4 AHL games is impressive. If Slafkovski is hurt, does Roy get the call up? Afternoon Notes: Slafkovsky, Acciari, Point Laval dosent play all week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 3 minutes ago, DON said: Will be interesting to see what Hughes decides to do if Mailloux keeps piling up offense. 9pts in 4 AHL games is impressive. Winger with CC and Suzuki? Kidding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted November 4 Author Share Posted November 4 16 hours ago, DON said: Sheldon Souray pylon-type d-man is what we dont need. Has his defense even improved any, yet? He seemed lost at times in own end with Habs, didnt he? IMHO, the man-to-man defense the Habs use on the D-zone is better suited for a player like Hutson than Mailloux (or Savard). That is why I believe Mailloux defending looked better in the AHL, specially this year with the new coaches. So, it is hard to know he will be "ready" to play for the current Habs' playbook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 13 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: IMHO, the man-to-man defense the Habs use on the D-zone is better suited for a player like Hutson than Mailloux (or Savard). That is why I believe Mailloux defending looked better in the AHL, specially this year with the new coaches. So, it is hard to know he will be "ready" to play for the current Habs' playbook I thought they are using the same system in Laval?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 5 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said: I thought they are using the same system in Laval?? And that it is a "hybrid" system, not pure man-to-man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 The habs don't use Man to man defence in the d-zone. They play zone defence when the puck is high in the zone, and they play man (with reads to double team the puck) when its down low. This is the same system Florida played last two years. It is called hybrid, cause sometimes its man, sometimes its zone, and sometimes its double teaming the puck. The issue the team is having is the young defencemen haven't quite mastered the transitiions from zone to man, as well as the reads they need to make and the communication on when to double team. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted November 4 Author Share Posted November 4 1 hour ago, hab29RETIRED said: I thought they are using the same system in Laval?? No, they are not. At least from what the commentator describe compared to the Habs comet storage; and also based on what I can tell when watching AHL/NHL games back to back. Laval rolls all lines and pairings through the game. Shifts are short, no one extends shifts in Laval. D-zone is zone with a player aggressively forechecking. there is also more diversity on zone entries. The Rocket generate lots of chances, but the level of talent determines how many shots on goal come out of them. They have a very young team, but they rarely seem to be overwhelmed or panicking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 1 minute ago, alfredoh2009 said: No, they are not. At least from what the commentator describe compared to the Habs comet storage; and also based on what I can tell when watching AHL/NHL games back to back. Laval rolls all lines and pairings through the game. Shifts are short, no one extends shifts in Laval. D-zone is zone with a player aggressively forechecking. there is also more diversity on zone entries. The Rocket generate lots of chances, but the level of talent determines how many shots on goal come out of them. They have a very young team, but they rarely seem to be overwhelmed or panicking None of what you described is the defensive zone system. Shifts are short ---- yeah, the Habs shifts are too long cause the struggles in their own zone extend them. Rolling lines and pairings isn't a system. A player in the D-Zone aggressively forechecking? WHAT.... forechecking is in the O-Zone..... are you saying they aggressively backcheck and double team down low (a trademark of the hybrid D) or are aggressively forechecking in the O/zone which has nothing to do with the Dzone? I don't know what you are saying or mean here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted November 4 Author Share Posted November 4 2 minutes ago, Commandant said: None of what you described is the defensive zone system. Shifts are short ---- yeah, the Habs shifts are too long cause the struggles in their own zone extend them. Rolling lines and pairings isn't a system. A player in the D-Zone aggressively forechecking? WHAT.... forechecking is in the O-Zone..... are you saying they aggressively backcheck and double team down low (a trademark of the hybrid D) or are aggressively forechecking in the O/zone which has nothing to do with the Dzone? I don't know what you are saying or mean here. lost your kite again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 5 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: lost your kite again? At no point in my post did I make a personal attack. You just don't like that I correct your misinformation on the board and can discuss, systems, tactics, skills and other hockey related matters at a high level. All of which I do while staying on topic and not attacking you personally. Strange, you can't do that. You show your true colours when you are unable to respond in the discussion with coherent, on-topic thoughts about systems and tactics. Instead, when proven wrong you take to making non-sequitors and attacks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 2 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said: I thought they are using the same system in Laval?? Yes, and the advantage of teaching them it in Laval is that they will be doing the same things in the NHL, just at faster speed. Makes the adjustment easier than learning the system from scratch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 7 hours ago, Commandant said: Yes, and the advantage of teaching them it in Laval is that they will be doing the same things in the NHL, just at faster speed. Makes the adjustment easier than learning the system from scratch. I wonder if it be beneficial to send xhejac to Laval while he is still waiver exempt and Lear big the system against a lower level of competition. I also read who they are trying to develop pairings in Laval. Might be an opportunity to have Xhejac and Mailloux learn the system as a D pairing in Laval. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 15 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said: I also read who they are trying to develop pairings in Laval. Might be an opportunity to have Xhejac and Mailloux learn the system as a D pairing in Laval. Not a bad idea, I know they played on the same pairing when Arber was sent down last year and they did really well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanes World Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 Xhekaj is waiver eligible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 1 hour ago, Lanes World said: Xhekaj is waiver eligible No, Xhekaj does not need waivers to be sent to Laval. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanes World Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 Hmm, interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 13 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Not a bad idea, I know they played on the same pairing when Arber was sent down last year and they did really well. But, long run Xhekaj is likely 3rd pairing and Mailloux we hope better than that, maybe paired with Guhle? Also defending isnt the strong suit of Xhekaj nor Mailloux at the moment, so maybe not best pairing?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 23 minutes ago, DON said: But, long run Xhekaj is likely 3rd pairing and Mailloux we hope better than that, maybe paired with Guhle? Also defending isnt the strong suit of Xhekaj nor Mailloux at the moment, so maybe not best pairing?. Or, might giving neither of them a "safety net" partner force them to focus more on their defence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanes World Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 I think it’s a great idea to send Xhekaj to Laval. I didn’t realize he didn’t beed waivers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 2 hours ago, Lanes World said: I think it’s a great idea to send Xhekaj to Laval. I didn’t realize he didn’t beed waivers. It's thanks to the fact he signed at 20 but didn't turn pro right away. When signing at that age, it's 160 NHL games or three pro seasons. Since the first year of the contract was spent solely in junior, this is pro year number three for him. He's exempt through this season only or until he reaches 160 NHL games played (which would be late in the year). https://www.habsworld.net/2016/10/canadiens-waiver-chart/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/montreal-canadiens-development-ahl-rocket-joshua-roy-logan-mailloux-pascal-vincent/ “I think when I was up there you saw I wasn’t at my best and I wasn’t good enough to force their hand and stay there,” Mailloux said after Saturday’s game, where he had a goal and three assists. “The offensive stuff I think that’s something I will bring without thinking about but there are some details defensively even today that I feel I can get better on so just going to try and take a step in the right direction every day.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 7 minutes ago, DON said: https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/montreal-canadiens-development-ahl-rocket-joshua-roy-logan-mailloux-pascal-vincent/ “I think when I was up there you saw I wasn’t at my best and I wasn’t good enough to force their hand and stay there,” Mailloux said after Saturday’s game, where he had a goal and three assists. “The offensive stuff I think that’s something I will bring without thinking about but there are some details defensively even today that I feel I can get better on so just going to try and take a step in the right direction every day.” Great to see that Mailloux is self aware of what he needs to work on. He has the tools and his offense is most certainly at an NHL level, the defense is a work in progress. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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