alfredoh2009 Posted November 19, 2024 Author Share Posted November 19, 2024 13 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I think Engstrom is/will be more dynamic offensively than Harris. He also played 2 years in the SHL so likely won't need 2+ years in Laval. I agree, he may be a great trade chip if Hutson and Guhle develop to their potential as LDs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted November 19, 2024 Share Posted November 19, 2024 36 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: I agree, he may be a great trade chip if Hutson and Guhle develop to their potential as LDs. Most NHL teams need to play 10 or more NHL different d-men/year for one reason or other. Kid hasnt played 15 AHL games yet and your thinking of trading him. Sounds like a Milbury move to me. I am more hoping he plays well enough in Laval to get an injury call up in 2nd half of year. Seems like will be an upgrade on XHekaj/Struble sooner than later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted November 19, 2024 Share Posted November 19, 2024 39 minutes ago, DON said: Most NHL teams need to play 10 or more NHL different d-men/year for one reason or other. Kid hasnt played 15 AHL games yet and your thinking of trading him. Sounds like a Milbury move to me. I am more hoping he plays well enough in Laval to get an injury call up in 2nd half of year. Seems like will be an upgrade on XHekaj/Struble sooner than later. Habs have a lot of young LD's right now. There won't be room for all of them especially if Matheson decides to stay after his contract is up. Sooner or later one of them will have to be traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted November 19, 2024 Author Share Posted November 19, 2024 54 minutes ago, DON said: Most NHL teams need to play 10 or more NHL different d-men/year for one reason or other. Kid hasnt played 15 AHL games yet and your thinking of trading him. Sounds like a Milbury move to me. I am more hoping he plays well enough in Laval to get an injury call up in 2nd half of year. Seems like will be an upgrade on XHekaj/Struble sooner than later. Not all defensemen will stay with the Habs NHL roster. Asset management will need to be done from a strategic point of view, Xhekaj, Strubble, Engstrom, Barron are part of the trade chips. I think Engstrom is a “blue” trade chip. I did not say we should trade him now, why comparing me with Milbury ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted November 19, 2024 Share Posted November 19, 2024 2 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: Not all defensemen will stay with the Habs NHL roster. Asset management will need to be done from a strategic point of view, Xhekaj, Strubble, Engstrom, Barron are part of the trade chips. I think Engstrom is a “blue” trade chip. I did not say we should trade him now, why comparing me with Milbury ? You can really call a trade a Milbury trade until you know what you are giving up and what you are getting. Usually Milbury gave up a lot more than he was getting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted November 19, 2024 Author Share Posted November 19, 2024 35 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: You can really call a trade a Milbury trade until you know what you are giving up and what you are getting. Usually Milbury gave up a lot more than he was getting. ?! I guess you are right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted November 20, 2024 Share Posted November 20, 2024 The Leafs traded Tuukka Rask to Boston, cause they had Justin Pogge and there was no way they could keep both of them. There is only one net and you can only start one goalie. Thats the same logic that says trade a 20 year old Dman who is having a great season in Laval. One day, you may have to trade a prospect D, but having lots of prospects on LHD doesn't mean that they will all work out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted November 20, 2024 Share Posted November 20, 2024 29 minutes ago, Commandant said: The Leafs traded Tuukka Rask to Boston, cause they had Justin Pogge and there was no way they could keep both of them. There is only one net and you can only start one goalie. Thats the same logic that says trade a 20 year old Dman who is having a great season in Laval. One day, you may have to trade a prospect D, but having lots of prospects on LHD doesn't mean that they will all work out. Nobody is saying trade a 20 year defensemen now only that at same point in the future you might be forced into a decision because you can't play them all or send them all down. Not sure what they do now with Barron, obviously he hasn't gained MSL trust to play all the time and they can't send him down because they will lose him for nothing. Way too early to consider trading Engstrom but I can see the left side being stacked (Matheson , Guhle, Hutson, Xhekaj, Struble, Engstrom) and decisions will have to be made. A lot will depend on whether some of these guys can be effective playing the other side, how long Matheson stays in Montreal and what injuries happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted November 20, 2024 Author Share Posted November 20, 2024 8 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Nobody is saying trade a 20 year defensemen now only that at same point in the future you might be forced into a decision because you can't play them all or send them all down. Not sure what they do now with Barron, obviously he hasn't gained MSL trust to play all the time and they can't send him down because they will lose him for nothing. Way too early to consider trading Engstrom but I can see the left side being stacked (Matheson , Guhle, Hutson, Xhekaj, Struble, Engstrom) and decisions will have to be made. A lot will depend on whether some of these guys can be effective playing the other side, how long Matheson stays in Montreal and what injuries happen. you explain it so well. Couldn’t agree more with you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted November 20, 2024 Share Posted November 20, 2024 1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Nobody is saying trade a 20 year defensemen now only that at same point in the future you might be forced into a decision because you can't play them all or send them all down. Not sure what they do now with Barron, obviously he hasn't gained MSL trust to play all the time and they can't send him down because they will lose him for nothing. Way too early to consider trading Engstrom but I can see the left side being stacked (Matheson , Guhle, Hutson, Xhekaj, Struble, Engstrom) and decisions will have to be made. A lot will depend on whether some of these guys can be effective playing the other side, how long Matheson stays in Montreal and what injuries happen. At some point in the future we may have to trade suzuki or caufield or montembault or matheson or hutson or anyone on the roster. Its premature to discuss Engstrom. At this point, we need to decide on guys like Barron and Struble I agree, but that doesn't mean we have to decide what to do with a 20 year old with 6 weeks of AHL hockey. Wait and see and he either knocks someone out of a spot or is traded but this seems premature to call him a blue chip trade option. We might need to trade one, but Making the decision to target a player before we know what we truly have in him leads to the Pogge/Raycroft decision redux. This isn't the same as Barron as we've seen a lot of him, and he has from now til the deadline/end of the season to either earn a spot or be traded IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted November 20, 2024 Share Posted November 20, 2024 9 minutes ago, Commandant said: At this point, we need to decide on guys like Barron and Struble I agree, but that doesn't mean we have to decide what to do with a 20 year old with 6 weeks of AHL hockey. Wait and see and he either knocks someone out of a spot or is traded but this seems premature to call him a blue chip trade option. A decision on Barron will have to made this year and one on Struble is likely not too far behind. In a perfect world Engstrom lights it up in Laval this year and comes to camp next year hungry for a position. Hopefully he becomes a blue chip trade option or a blue chip defensemen on the Habs blueline. A full year in Laval should help him become more accustomed to the North American game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted November 20, 2024 Share Posted November 20, 2024 15 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: A decision on Barron will have to made this year and one on Struble is likely not too far behind. They've already made one on Struble to an extent by letting him reach the waiver threshold; he became waiver-eligible on Monday. In doing so, they've clearly determined he's at least in the short-term plans. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted November 20, 2024 Share Posted November 20, 2024 40 minutes ago, dlbalr said: They've already made one on Struble to an extent by letting him reach the waiver threshold; he became waiver-eligible on Monday. In doing so, they've clearly determined he's at least in the short-term plans. I think they really like Struble, he seems to fit into the steady, tough, reliable, disciplined mold. Likely a 3rd pairing defensemen who can play up on occasion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted November 20, 2024 Share Posted November 20, 2024 9 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I think they really like Struble, he seems to fit into the steady, tough, reliable, disciplined mold. Likely a 3rd pairing defensemen who can play up on occasion. I suspect he may well have a long and profitable career based on those very characteristics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted November 20, 2024 Share Posted November 20, 2024 3 minutes ago, GHT120 said: I suspect he may well have a long and profitable career based on those very characteristics. Yes, he seems like perhaps a David Savard type, will never wow you with his offensive game but they will have other defensemen who can look after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted November 20, 2024 Share Posted November 20, 2024 Rocket Weekly: Starting a New Win Streak – HabsWorld.net "And that’s where his utility to the Habs is going to come one day. Montreal likes to attack as a wave and Engstrom’s penchant for skating should augment that while defensively, having someone who can get back and break up plays, kick-start a breakout, and has good defensive awareness can only help on a team that is, well, a little inconsistent on those fronts most nights." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted November 20, 2024 Share Posted November 20, 2024 4 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I think they really like Struble, he seems to fit into the steady, tough, reliable, disciplined mold. Likely a 3rd pairing defensemen who can play up on occasion. I agree with all of this and Struble also has his enormous physical strength which he does use when required. Struble’s problem, long term are the number of quality Dmen in the system. If Matheson gets a new contract then Struble might be stuck at #7. Perhaps Struble can take the spot from Xhekaj eventually or take Barron’s spot on the right. It wouldn’t shock me if Savard gets a 2-3 year contract either because Hughes doesn’t trust Barron and Reinbacher is a year behind at the very least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted November 20, 2024 Share Posted November 20, 2024 6 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: I agree with all of this and Struble also has his enormous physical strength which he does use when required. Struble’s problem, long term are the number of quality Dmen in the system. If Matheson gets a new contract then Struble might be stuck at #7. Perhaps Struble can take the spot from Xhekaj eventually or take Barron’s spot on the right. It wouldn’t shock me if Savard gets a 2-3 year contract either because Hughes doesn’t trust Barron and Reinbacher is a year behind at the very least. Savard will be almost 35 when the season starts next year, if he gets a 3 year contract I don't think it will be from Montreal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted November 20, 2024 Share Posted November 20, 2024 Upper-body injury for Tuch: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted November 21, 2024 Share Posted November 21, 2024 2-1 OT loss Dobes 1st star of game 39 shots Xhekaj 1g(3) 4 shots Engstrom 3 shots Rochester Americans @ Laval Rocket Wednesday, November 20, 2024 | TheAHL.com | The American Hockey League Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted November 21, 2024 Share Posted November 21, 2024 23 hours ago, GHT120 said: I suspect he may well have a long and profitable career based on those very characteristics. He likely will have a good AAV, which is going to be important very soon. Hutson is gonna get paid in a couple years, so a steady, reliable, strong, and young number 6 who is paid accordingly would help team balance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted November 21, 2024 Share Posted November 21, 2024 19 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: It wouldn’t shock me if Savard gets a 2-3 year contract either because Hughes doesn’t trust Barron and Reinbacher is a year behind at the very least. I've been thinking the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted November 21, 2024 Share Posted November 21, 2024 19 hours ago, dlbalr said: Upper-body injury for Tuch: How is Tuch playing? Seems like a perfect 4th liner to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted November 21, 2024 Share Posted November 21, 2024 1 hour ago, BCHabnut said: How is Tuch playing? Seems like a perfect 4th liner to me. "But while Joshua Roy and Alex Barre-Boulet have probably been the most suggested options, I wonder about Luke Tuch getting an opportunity sooner than later. It stands to reason that if an opening comes up in Montreal’s lineup, they might be inclined to move either Emil Heineman or Joel Armia up into that spot, meaning the vacancy to fill would be on the fourth line. That’s where Tuch’s game is probably best suited at this point. He’s a solid forechecker, plays a physical game, and can kill penalties. Doesn’t that sound like the prototypical fourth liner that Martin St. Louis would want to see? Tuch has been doing well so far in the early going with Laval in that same fourth line spot. Frankly, I’m a little disappointed he hasn’t been moved up to where Alex Beaucage is on the third line, which would him a chance to play a few more minutes and perhaps get a bit more involved offensively. The fact they’re bringing him along slowly suggests their preference probably isn’t to recall him early on but if there’s an opening lower in Montreal’s lineup, Tuch might be their best option." Rocket Weekly: All Winning Streaks Eventually End – HabsWorld.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted November 22, 2024 Share Posted November 22, 2024 RHP getting prime line mates Good luck buddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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