Plutarch Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 With all the speculation (admittedly from fans not Insiders) about Petry or Savard being moved at the deadline... Is there recent precedent for someone with 4 years left on their deal being moved? I figure we'd see (if we keep sucking), Chiarot, Lehkonen and Kulak being moved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 "The Rangers have been in the market for a forward for quite some time. And I think it’s been amplified by the fact they lost Sammy Blais for the remainder of the season earlier this week," Dreger explained on Insider Trading Thursday. Armia and Lehkonen make sense as possible fits to offer ... but there isn't a winger I wouldn't move in the right deal (albeit Caufield requiring one heck of a return) ... but then I am Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Admittedly no specifics, but this scares the "heck" out of me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 It could be Arizona. They want to trade Kessel this season, but it will drop them below the cap floor, so they need a contract to keep them above. They were linked to Murray going on waivers for this reason. They could be trying to pull an asset out of San Jose to take Kane. They may or may not have any desire to let him play though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 4 hours ago, GHT120 said: Admittedly no specifics, but this scares the "heck" out of me It's hard to believe there is an NHL team that wants to take on a guy that makes one bad decision after another. How many chances do you give a guy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 37 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: It's hard to believe there is an NHL team that wants to take on a guy that makes one bad decision after another. How many chances do you give a guy? Over the last four seasons Kane has scored at a 34g/82gms pace (87 goals in 212 games) ... sadly, absent a criminal conviction(s), with that kind of production there will always be somebody to give one more shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 5 hours ago, GHT120 said: Admittedly no specifics, but this scares the "heck" out of me Considering his suspension was for a fake vaccination card, is he actually vaccinated? Considering non-vaccinated players can't cross the border to play in the NHL, that Eastern team Brooks references probably isn't Canadian-based. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Will anyone touch him with ten foot pole? Which dumb or desperate GM will claim him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 1 hour ago, DON said: Will anyone touch him with ten foot pole? Which dumb or desperate GM will claim him? He already cleared waivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 58 minutes ago, Commandant said: He already cleared waivers. Maybe spending some time in the AHL will help him grow up? Maybe not. He is an angry young man in desperate need of some guidance. He won't be making 7Million/year forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 17 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Maybe spending some time in the AHL will help him grow up? 10-15yrs too late isnt it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 2 hours ago, DON said: Will anyone touch him with ten foot pole? Which dumb or desperate GM will claim him? 1 hour ago, Commandant said: He already cleared waivers. As unlikely as it is, a trade was IMO always more likely IMO (and many others) as the SJS are apparently willing to retain salary ... and couldn't imagine they expect to get much of anything in return Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 24 minutes ago, DON said: 10-15yrs too late isnt it? Never too late to grow up. He has a lot of life ahead of him although if he doesn't smarten up he may not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 18 hours ago, DON said: Will anyone touch him with ten foot pole? Which dumb or desperate GM will claim him? Now that Molson seems to have embraced a rebuild (of some sort) If they would do Price for Kane and Reimer it *** MIGHT *** behoove Gorton/????? to listen ... I suspect it could be easier to trade (with cap/salary retained) Kane than Price to help the cap in a rebuild Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 3 hours ago, GHT120 said: Now that Molson seems to have embraced a rebuild (of some sort) If they would do Price for Kane and Reimer it *** MIGHT *** behoove Gorton/????? to listen ... I suspect it could be easier to trade (with cap/salary retained) Kane than Price to help the cap in a rebuild There’s no way Montreal trades for Kane. Even for a rebuild. He already has way too much negative publicity. If San Jose does manage to trade Kane, it will be paying someone to take him. Price has value. In your example, San Jose would be also sending a high value pick or prospect the other way and there would be no salary retention from either side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 53 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said: There’s no way Montreal trades for Kane. Even for a rebuild. He already has way too much negative publicity. If San Jose does manage to trade Kane, it will be paying someone to take him. Price has value. In your example, San Jose would be also sending a high value pick or prospect the other way and there would be no salary retention from either side. And perhaps not explicit enough was the idea to then flip him elsewhere, not keep him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalhabs Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Id rather keep Price as a leading figure. Maybe he would still have enough juice in the tank for another run for the cup later if the rebuild works out well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 hour ago, GHT120 said: And perhaps not explicit enough was the idea to then flip him elsewhere, not keep him No one wants Evander Kane, unless its on an exceptionally cheap deal. Even with 1/2 retention, no one is touching him, and I don't like the idea of 1/2 retention given the length left on his contract. This isn't the first time he's been a locker room cancer with his team. It happened in Winnipeg and Buffalo too. If we are rebuilding I'd rather have Price as a leader for young players than Evander Kane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 26 minutes ago, Commandant said: No one wants Evander Kane, unless its on an exceptionally cheap deal. Even with 1/2 retention, no one is touching him, and I don't like the idea of 1/2 retention given the length left on his contract. This isn't the first time he's been a locker room cancer with his team. It happened in Winnipeg and Buffalo too. If we are rebuilding I'd rather have Price as a leader for young players than Evander Kane. I wouldn’t mind risk taking on Kane at 50% if we could lose the Price contract, and get a high pick, IF we think than we could get additional high picks, by moving him and retaining 50% of his contract. It would allow someone to get Kane really cheap. Of course, we’d have to gamble that he scores a lot, and is trouble free while we have him (I wouldn’t want to hold into him - I’d treat him like a pump and dump stock). big risk of course is Kane has had numerous stops and the severity of the issues has been escalating, and someone with his life style choices on Crescent Street would be like a kid with free access to a cookie jar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Just now, hab29RETIRED said: I wouldn’t mind risk taking on Kane if we could list the Price contract, IF we think than we could get high picks, by moving him and retaining 50% of his contract. It would allow someone to get Kane really cheap. Of course, we’d have to gamble that he scores a lot, and is trouble free while we have him (I wouldn’t want to hold into him - I’d treat him like a pump and dump stock). big risk of course is Kane has had numerous stops and the severity of the issues has been escalating, and someone with his life style choices on Crescent Street would be like a kid with free access to a cookie jar. and that may be why you are not in Gorton's short list of GM candidates @hab29RETIRED 😁 🤪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 minute ago, alfredoh2009 said: and that may be why you are not in Gorton's short list of GM candidates @hab29RETIRED 😁 🤪 I’d rather retain $1.75m of Kane, by trading for him and the moving him, AND get additional assets than having Price at $10.5m. I also think Price will be very unhappy to be here through a rebuild with zero chance of winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 39 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said: I’d rather retain $1.75m of Kane, by trading for him and the moving him, AND get additional assets than having Price at $10.5m. I also think Price will be very unhappy to be here through a rebuild with zero chance of winning. only Price knows if he will be happy here or not. He has had plenty of opportunities to ask to be traded. I would have wanted Kane when he was in Winnipeg, when he posed in the photo in Vegas with the cash in his hands or now not a fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 37 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said: I’d rather retain $1.75m of Kane, by trading for him and the moving him, AND get additional assets than having Price at $10.5m. I also think Price will be very unhappy to be here through a rebuild with zero chance of winning. Its not a zero sum game. There may be other moves for price that don't involve Kane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 hour ago, alfredoh2009 said: and that may be why you are not in Gorton's short list of GM candidates @hab29RETIRED 😁 🤪 You don't know that. I don't think Gorton has his short list yet. He may be monitoring these boards looking for some brilliant minds. He may be thinking outside the box, way outside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 26 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: You don't know that. I don't think Gorton has his short list yet. He may be monitoring these boards looking for some brilliant minds. He may be thinking outside the box, way outside. he may also be rethinking the box and wondering, why not TWO! boxes, a big one and a smaller one 😁 🤪 🤡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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