GHT120 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 8 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: We’re not getting Gaudreau for Drouin straight up (LOL) so any trade for him would involve actually significant hockey assets. I’m not sure off the top of my heard what those might be - but we certainly could use a productive LW. Probably the initials “KK” would be involved…or maybe Toffoli +?... Hence the "+" ... but not certain I would consider KK or TT, Gaudreau is currently a one season rental ... what the Flames would want depends largely on where Calgary is going ... re-tool for 21-22 playoff run ... re-tool to go for playoffs in 22-23/23-24 ... rebuild ... too many scenarios for me to speculate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 13 minutes ago, GHT120 said: Hence the "+" ... but not certain I would consider KK or TT, Gaudreau is currently a one season rental ... what the Flames would want depends largely on where Calgary is going ... re-tool for 21-22 playoff run ... re-tool to go for playoffs in 22-23/23-24 ... rebuild ... too many scenarios for me to speculate Obviously you only make a trade for Gaudreau if you sign him, like we did with Anderson. So that has to be the operative assumption. In that context, would you consider KK or TT? The latter + Drouin I would seriously consider, but I say that without knowing what Calgary has in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 27 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Obviously you only make a trade for Gaudreau if you sign him, like we did with Anderson. So that has to be the operative assumption. In that context, would you consider KK or TT? The latter + Drouin I would seriously consider, but I say that without knowing what Calgary has in mind. Don't know that it is obvious ... at something similar to a "deadline deal" price a one year rental would be fine with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 I only consider KK in an eichel deal. Given how hard it was to get centres in the recent past and Danault is leaving, you can't move him for a winger. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Add Francois Gagnon to those saying Savard and Paquette are pretty much done deals: https://www.rds.ca/hockey/canadiens/ch-danault-part-savard-et-paquette-arrivent-1.13997837 (He also cites an interview period that doesn't exist anymore though...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Commandant said: I only consider KK in an eichel deal. Given how hard it was to get centres in the recent past and Danault is leaving, you can't move him for a winger. Good point. I’m just imagining it from Calgary’s perspective. I do wonder about TT/Drouin being of interest, though… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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alfredoh2009 Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Eichel for whom? Kotkaniemi, Poehling and a D prospect?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: Eichel for whom? Kotkaniemi, Poehling and a D prospect?? I think it will take more than that. I would do that trade in a hearbeat for a healthy Eichel although they would need to fit in his salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Just so everyone knows, that account is run by a Montreal fan who, while he has gotten a handful right over the years, has a very low track record of actually being right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, dlbalr said: Just so everyone knows, that account is run by a Montreal fan who, while he has gotten a handful right over the years, has a very low track record of actually being right. Thanks ... I was wondering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 16 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: Eichel for whom? Kotkaniemi, Poehling and a D prospect?? 8 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I think it will take more than that ... Likely a first (maybe two) ... and the D prospect of Buffalo's choice (Guhle, Norlinder, Harris or Struble) ... I would offer a second first if it took Guhle out of the mix ... think he is the best prospect the habs have on D, on-ice and potentially in locker-room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanfan Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Eichel for Lehkonen, Drouin a 1st and a 2nd Buffalo retains $2 million in cap space. Mtl signs KK for $3m Habs have about $1m to add a depth D About the only way this happens...but wow if it does! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanfan Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, titanfan said: Eichel for Lehkonen, Drouin a 1st and a 2nd Buffalo retains $2 million in cap space. Mtl signs KK for $3m Habs have about $1m to add a depth D About the only way this happens...but wow if it does! And that's assuming Weber is off the books Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan89 Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 40 minutes ago, titanfan said: Eichel for Lehkonen, Drouin a 1st and a 2nd Buffalo retains $2 million in cap space. Mtl signs KK for $3m Habs have about $1m to add a depth D About the only way this happens...but wow if it does! Lol if you think buffalo is making that trade. I don't even think EA hockey would accept that on Xbox 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalhabs Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 12 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said: Lol if you think buffalo is making that trade. I don't even think EA hockey would accept that on Xbox 😂 Think needs to add at least a kotkaniemi... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 1 hour ago, titanfan said: Eichel for Lehkonen, Drouin a 1st and a 2nd Buffalo retains $2 million in cap space. Mtl signs KK for $3m Habs have about $1m to add a depth D About the only way this happens...but wow if it does! Not a snowball's chance in hell does Buffalo make that trade. Yeah a big WOW if it does. You don't get a young dominant centre by giving up a 3rd line (but useful) player, an undependable winger and likely a late first round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 To even get the conversation started with Buffalo for Eichel you are looking at KK, (one of Romanov or Guhle) and a 1st round pick. I think that's a minimum. Young dominant centres are hard to come by and they aren't cheap. This is all assuming Eichel is 100% healthy, if not then stay away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanfan Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Habsfan89 said: Lol if you think buffalo is making that trade. I don't even think EA hockey would accept that on Xbox 😂 Exactly. Which is why we DON'T make a trade for Eichel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Not a snowball's chance in hell does Buffalo make that trade. Yeah a big WOW if it does. You don't get a young dominant centre by giving up a 3rd line (but useful) player, an undependable winger and likely a late first round pick. Even Mike Milbury doesn’t even make that trade…. Well maybe mad Mike is about the only one who might🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: To even get the conversation started with Buffalo for Eichel you are looking at KK, (one of Romanov or Guhle) and a 1st round pick. I think that's a minimum. Young dominant centres are hard to come by and they aren't cheap. This is all assuming Eichel is 100% healthy, if not then stay away. I’d make that trade and even give them both Guhle, Romanov, Drouin, and another first, IF they added Dahlin, and IF Eichal had a completely clean bill of health - which may be doubtful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 42 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said: Even Mike Milbury doesn’t even make that trade…. Well maybe mad Mike is about the only one who might🤔 You forgot Reggie Houle 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan89 Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 3 hours ago, titanfan said: Exactly. Which is why we DON'T make a trade for Eichel. We can make a trade for him that's not the issue. It's a) at what cost is to deep and B) his contract is big and could handy cap us . To give up Suzuki or Kotkaniemi or Caufield or Romanov losing 2 of these 4 guys could hurt us especially not knowing if his going to be healthy. Theirs other guys out there we could go after. So if Buffalo is asking for the sky and the moon for him you walk away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Habsfan89 said: We can make a trade for him that's not the issue. It's a) at what cost is to deep and B) his contract is big and could handy cap us . To give up Suzuki or Kotkaniemi or Caufield or Romanov losing 2 of these 4 guys could hurt us especially not knowing if his going to be healthy. Theirs other guys out there we could go after. So if Buffalo is asking for the sky and the moon for him you walk away. It's always about the cost and of course the cap hit but Eichel is elite and only 24 so worth exploring the cost. A 1-2 punch at centre of Suzuki and Eichel for the next 8-10 years would be about as good as it gets. I would much rather have Eichel at 10M/year than Tavares at 11M/year. There aren't many players worth a cap hit of 10M/year but he is one of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Boagalott Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 Eichel would be an incredible pickup, but the cost it likely way too much to consider doing it. It would be unimaginable for Buffalo to give away their top player for the Habs crappy guys with bad contracts like Drouin. They will want serious return for their top player. 2 hours ago, Habsfan89 said: We can make a trade for him that's not the issue. It's a) at what cost is to deep and B) his contract is big and could handy cap us . To give up Suzuki or Kotkaniemi or Caufield or Romanov losing 2 of these 4 guys could hurt us especially not knowing if his going to be healthy. Theirs other guys out there we could go after. So if Buffalo is asking for the sky and the moon for him you walk away. Even if it was for all 4 of those guys - which I'm not suggesting the Habs should do, its that those 4 guys dont make enough money for that to work cap wise for the Habs. Realistically, like already mentioned, the Habs would need to dump a bunch of salary to make it possible. To bring in a 10mil guy the Habs would need to give up $10mil in salary. Therefore, I cant see any deal happening without moving Gallagher because he is 1 of the Habs highest paid players. ex: Gally, KK, and Romy for Eichel, or even worse would be Gally, Suzuki and Caufield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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