Commandant Posted June 13, 2024 Share Posted June 13, 2024 14 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I see your point with the number of years left on the contract, I just think there is a better chance of Anderson being a 20 goal scorer again than Laine being healthy for 80 games and scoring 35 goals. Not sure if being under the microscope in Montreal is the right environment for a guy that has struggled with some issues. There is no doubt he has talent. If laine scores 25 you take that short term and yes you are overpaying... but i dont think Anderson is scoring 20, and he cant pass the puck, which laine can.... so i think you are overpaying less Then in 2027 he takes a paycut or walks. If by some reason you get that 35-40 instead (doubtful, I agree), you got gold here But i think the trade mitigates risk due to the fewer years on the contract and ive never been an anderson fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted June 13, 2024 Share Posted June 13, 2024 9 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: Pierre LeBrun on Insider Trading reports Patrik Laine would like to move on from #CBJ and both team/agent will work together to try and get a trade done, he wants a fresh start. Anderson back to Columbus for Laine would be sweet but I wouldn’t pay a lot for him. I'd do that in a heartbeat. Anderson even when producing, could never really mesh with anyone. Anderson has what 3 or 4 years of a lousy contract. Laine only has 2 years left and there are better chances of him getting back on track and being a good player, than there is with Anderson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted June 13, 2024 Share Posted June 13, 2024 25 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said: I'd do that in a heartbeat. Anderson even when producing, could never really mesh with anyone. Anderson has what 3 or 4 years of a lousy contract. Laine only has 2 years left and there are better chances of him getting back on track and being a good player, than there is with Anderson. I would do the Anderson trade without hesitation. I would not give up a significant piece such as Guhle. Anderson trade would be zero risk but a key piece would be significant risk IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 13, 2024 Share Posted June 13, 2024 10 hours ago, Commandant said: But i think the trade mitigates risk due to the fewer years on the contract and ive never been an anderson fan ' Fair enough, I get the 1 less year being more attractive (even though a larger cap hit). I guess I am more confident in Anderson bouncing back than most here. Columbus would certainly have to take back some sort of bad trade contract or retention to trade him. No chance they get a good young player for him. I just see Laine as fragile right now although I hope he can turn it around as he was an exciting players in his younger years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 13, 2024 Share Posted June 13, 2024 Oh, no way I'm giving anything of value. I'd probably want to see if Columbus was willing to throw in a player like Kent Johnston and sweeten the pot a little too. I mean I'd do the deal without the sweetner, but no harm in asking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted June 13, 2024 Share Posted June 13, 2024 Not sure we can get a player at the caliber of Kent Johnston just to sweeten the pot without giving back something because Columbus would not unload all of Laine's contract, just 3.5M$. Would you do Laine + Johnston for Josh and a pick (late 2nd, 3rd) ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted June 13, 2024 Share Posted June 13, 2024 8 minutes ago, JoeLassister said: Not sure we can get a player at the caliber of Kent Johnston just to sweeten the pot without giving back something because Columbus would not unload all of Laine's contract, just 3.5M$. Would you do Laine + Johnston for Josh and a pick (late 2nd, 3rd) ? Montreal has Winnipeg's 1st, rumored to be in play. As much as I would love it, there's no way CBJ does Laine for Anderson without more from Montreal. Money wise it's almost fair, trading $17.2m over 2 years for $17.5m over 3 years. I'm not saying it'll take a lot more, so tossing in Winnipeg's 1st to add in Johnston would be a fair starting point. Can't forget just how bad Anderson was last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 13, 2024 Share Posted June 13, 2024 12 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said: Can't forget just how bad Anderson was last season. And that's the issue here, we tend to overrate our players when they have good years and underrate them when they have bad years because we see them all the time where a player like Laine we think about how good he looked when he was young and forget about his recent struggles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 13, 2024 Share Posted June 13, 2024 4 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: Anderson trade would be zero risk but a key piece would be significant risk IMO It's not zero risk. The risk is that Anderson rebounds and Laine struggles while you are paying him 8.7M each of the next 2 years (highest paid player on the team). Admittedly 2 years is better than 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted June 13, 2024 Share Posted June 13, 2024 16 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: And that's the issue here, we tend to overrate our players when they have good years and underrate them when they have bad years because we see them all the time where a player like Laine we think about how good he looked when he was young and forget about his recent struggles. Laine is nearly a PPG player (0.79) the last 4 seasons. His issue is less about production and more about health, averaging 44 games played in each of the last 4 season, 56 games was his highest. This just says a healthy Laine will produce. Anderson on the other hand was healthy last season and offensively he was just bad. He wasn't scoring, but also wasn't driving much offense either. Lots of plays just died on his stick by losing the puck or and unproductive shot. Yes, there's arguments to be made about the value of his forechecking and actually driving the net and getting shots, but the end of the day if it's not translating to the scoresheet, it's an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted June 13, 2024 Share Posted June 13, 2024 8 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said: Laine is nearly a PPG player (0.79) the last 4 seasons. His issue is less about production and more about health, averaging 44 games played in each of the last 4 season, 56 games was his highest. This just says a healthy Laine will produce. Anderson on the other hand was healthy last season and offensively he was just bad. He wasn't scoring, but also wasn't driving much offense either. Lots of plays just died on his stick by losing the puck or and unproductive shot. Yes, there's arguments to be made about the value of his forechecking and actually driving the net and getting shots, but the end of the day if it's not translating to the scoresheet, it's an issue. Id add that even when Anderson was producing, he has never really meshed on any line for a sustained period. He does his own thing, but can't really play as a unit with anyone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 13, 2024 Share Posted June 13, 2024 15 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said: Laine is nearly a PPG player (0.79) the last 4 seasons. His issue is less about production and more about health, averaging 44 games played in each of the last 4 season, 56 games was his highest. This just says a healthy Laine will produce. I don't disagree that a healthy Laine (mentally and physically) will produce, you expect some production from a forward you are paying 8.7M/year. But there is certainly no guarantee he will be healthy, he hasn't scored 30 goals since the 2018/19 season which is a while ago. I understand that some people would rather take a chance on Laine at 8.7m/year (2 years) than Anderson at 5.5m/year (3 years) because watching Anderson last year was very frustrating for everyone including me. I guess we will see who can bounce back next year. I hope they both do. I also think Laine might be a better fit on a team with lots of cap space and less intense media pressure (ie. Utah, San Jose etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 13, 2024 Share Posted June 13, 2024 1 hour ago, JoeLassister said: Not sure we can get a player at the caliber of Kent Johnston just to sweeten the pot without giving back something because Columbus would not unload all of Laine's contract, just 3.5M$. Would you do Laine + Johnston for Josh and a pick (late 2nd, 3rd) ? I'm not sure what Johnston is worth. I think he'd be cheaper than what we paid for Newhook, so he could be worth slightly more than a late second anyways. Maybe something like Harris and Anderson for Laine and Johnston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted June 13, 2024 Share Posted June 13, 2024 21 minutes ago, Commandant said: I'm not sure what Johnston is worth. I think he'd be cheaper than what we paid for Newhook, so he could be worth slightly more than a late second anyways. Maybe something like Harris and Anderson for Laine and Johnston. I'd be on board I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted June 13, 2024 Share Posted June 13, 2024 3 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said: Id add that even when Anderson was producing, he has never really meshed on any line for a sustained period. He does his own thing, but can't really play as a unit with anyone. And that is unlikely to ever change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted June 13, 2024 Share Posted June 13, 2024 4 hours ago, Commandant said: I'm not sure what Johnston is worth. I think he'd be cheaper than what we paid for Newhook, so he could be worth slightly more than a late second anyways. Maybe something like Harris and Anderson for Laine and Johnston. I'd do that. If Laine rebounds AND Dach is healthy, we have a solid 2nd line. I think the chances of Laine who is a highly skilled, creative player, with a great shot, being able to return to form and score 25-30 goals is much more likely than Anderson rebounding. Anderson is most effective when he is playing like a bull in a China shop, but even than he is running around like a chicken with his head cut off. He seems to have zero hockey IQ and even when producing, really never meshed with a line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted June 14, 2024 Share Posted June 14, 2024 There has been talk about trading for Kakko and JFresh posted his stats. Wouldn’t give up much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 14, 2024 Share Posted June 14, 2024 Habs rehiring a scout. Atlantic Notes: Cooper, Senators, Seger, O’Connell (prohockeyrumors.com) "Arizona State University associate coach Albie O’Connell is expected to leave the program to pursue an NHL opportunity, relays PHNX Sports’ Craig Morgan (Twitter link). College Hockey News’ Mike McMahon adds (Twitter link) that O’Connell is expected to be hired by the Canadiens. If that holds true, it will be his second stint with the organization after serving as a college scout for Montreal back in 2022-23 before returning behind an NCAA bench this past season." https://cheeringthelogo.ca/2024/06/13/patrik-laine-weighing-the-pros-and-cons/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted June 14, 2024 Share Posted June 14, 2024 12 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: There has been talk about trading for Kakko and JFresh posted his stats. Wouldn’t give up much! Kakko already signed a 1 year extension with NYR. With a one year deal, which he will still be RFA at the end, he isn't going anywhere. https://www.nhl.com/news/kaapo-kakko-signs-1-year-deal-with-new-york-rangers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted June 14, 2024 Share Posted June 14, 2024 18 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said: Kakko already signed a 1 year extension with NYR. With a one year deal, which he will still be RFA at the end, he isn't going anywhere. https://www.nhl.com/news/kaapo-kakko-signs-1-year-deal-with-new-york-rangers He basically signed his qualifying offer by signing this contract. I see it as business as usual and not indicative of trade talks. Judging by those stats thought, NY isn’t getting any good offers. Ylonen for Kakko Gallagher for Kakko That is about it from me and Rangers are unlikely to accept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 14, 2024 Share Posted June 14, 2024 29 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said: Kakko already signed a 1 year extension with NYR. With a one year deal, which he will still be RFA at the end, he isn't going anywhere. https://www.nhl.com/news/kaapo-kakko-signs-1-year-deal-with-new-york-rangers Players have been traded after signing a qualifying offer. I don't see this as killing trade talks, nor did I ever think it was 100% he would be traded either. Seems the same situation as before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GHT120 Posted June 19, 2024 Share Posted June 19, 2024 Devils Acquire Jacob Markstrom from Calgary | RELEASEDevils send Kevin Bahl, 2025 protected first-round selection to Flames Markstrom had the Flames over a barrel Kevin Bahl Defense -- shoots L Born Jun 27 2000 -- New Westminster, BC [23 yrs. ago] Height 6.06 -- Weight 230 [198 cm/104 kg] Drafted by Arizona Coyotes - round 2 #55 overall 2018 NHL Entry Draft 148 games played, 4 goals, 21 assists, 25 points, 127 PIMs Career high TOI 17:23 last season, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Prime Minister Koivu Posted June 19, 2024 Share Posted June 19, 2024 Allen has no chance of playing 50 games this season now that Markstrom is there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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