Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 Armia is going to be a friggin UFA, he has millions of reasons to work his butt off and have a good year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 27 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: I know I’m hard on Armia (maybe too much so) but the frigging guy has really good offensive skills. He just doesn’t use them very often. The frustration is worse because he had his trip to Laval and that lit a fire under his ass and Armia produced. His fire has gone out and he is back to being a grindy defensive forward instead of a two way player. So yeah a 10 goal season maybe 😤 A month into the season, how many goals have our forwards scored on even strength? Caufield: 6 Suzuki, Gallagher: 3 Anderson, Evans: 2 Dach, Dvorak, Heineman, Newhook: 1 Armia, Kapanen, Slafkovsky: 0 There are a whole lot of forwards that are on track for a 10-goal season, maybe, unless the team stops vomiting on itself and starts playing like it can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 3 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Armia is going to be a friggin UFA, he SHOULD HAVE millions of reasons to work his butt off and have a good year. Minor edit ... thus far he hasn't shown that he has any "hoots" to give. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 10 minutes ago, GHT120 said: Minor edit ... thus far he hasn't shown that he has any "hoots" to give. I don't know how you have determined your hoots rating. I see a forward who is working hard every shift and winning battles for the puck. His ixGF says he should have scored another goal or two but he hasn't put the puck in the net. But how does that make him hootless? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 52 minutes ago, tomh009 said: A month into the season, how many goals have our forwards scored on even strength? Caufield: 6 Suzuki, Gallagher: 3 Anderson, Evans: 2 Dach, Dvorak, Heineman, Newhook: 1 Armia, Kapanen, Slafkovsky: 0 There are a whole lot of forwards that are on track for a 10-goal season, maybe, unless the team stops vomiting on itself and starts playing like it can. Reasonable argument Tom and I can’t argue against these stats. All I have is the eye test on Armia. He doesn’t look driven to score anymore, to go to the net and fire off his shot. Armia doesn’t look like the guy from last season but either does Dach, Slafkovsky, Newhook. I don’t know what the problem is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 3 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: I don’t know what the problem is. Last game the team was very defensively focused, to try and avoid the mistakes that cost them so dearly in the last few weeks, but the result was minimal offence. St-Louis said yesterday that it's like a see-saw, and they need to find the balance ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 55 minutes ago, tomh009 said: Last game the team was very defensively focused, to try and avoid the mistakes that cost them so dearly in the last few weeks, but the result was minimal offence. St-Louis said yesterday that it's like a see-saw, and they need to find the balance ... TBH I’d rather see them focus on hermetic defence. Worry about the offence once that foundation is in place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 One thing I disagree with about Arber, his shot is not average. He has one of the hardest slap shots in the NHL. Canadiens Players Drawing Trade Interest From Other Teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 2 hours ago, GHT120 said: I-M-O, if he can't handle fans' criticism THAT is a problem, not an excuse ... and if he is moping rather than trying to build a case for another team to trade for him this season or sign him in July then THAT is also a problem, not an excuse ... he has always been a player of unrealized offensive potential that bedazzled GMs, and who with rare exceptions seems to be satisfied to be an overpaid role player ... and both problems are, I-M-O, a red flag for all 32 NHL teams ... unfortunately, the Habs are already stuck with him. that is a very callous criticism on players like Armia, which are the majority in the NHL. Bottom-6 or bottom-pair players too strong for the AHL and other leagues but only capable of being complementary players at the NHL level. IMHO, management and coaching created the situation where these types of players have become cattle to trade at the deadline or herd through the season while putting all effort on the future. Some players like Gallagher are special in the way they can still put it all on the ice to the best of their talent regardless. Money players like Dadonov, Armia, Dvorak, etc are just doing the necessary knowing they are not portant to this team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 3 hours ago, GHT120 said: I-M-O, if he can't handle fans' criticism THAT is a problem, not an excuse ... and if he is moping rather than trying to build a case for another team to trade for him this season or sign him in July then THAT is also a problem, not an excuse ... he has always been a player of unrealized offensive potential that bedazzled GMs, and who with rare exceptions seems to be satisfied to be an overpaid role player ... and both problems are, I-M-O, a red flag for all 32 NHL teams ... unfortunately, the Habs are already stuck with him. He's a 10-15 goal guy and not a 50 goal guy cause he is prone to offensive slumps. He's playing hard on the boards and defensively though. I don't agree with these critiques of effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huzer Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 3 hours ago, GHT120 said: I-M-O, if he can't handle fans' criticism THAT is a problem, not an excuse ... and if he is moping rather than trying to build a case for another team to trade for him this season or sign him in July then THAT is also a problem, not an excuse ... he has always been a player of unrealized offensive potential that bedazzled GMs, and who with rare exceptions seems to be satisfied to be an overpaid role player ... and both problems are, I-M-O, a red flag for all 32 NHL teams ... unfortunately, the Habs are already stuck with him. Agreed. Imagine if a player was actually moping because of his role/fan feedback. "Hi Joel, we'd like to offer you a contract for 2025-2026." "Ok, but I want to make sure you won't criticize me and that you'll value my play. Could you also let your fans know they need to take it easy on me, because I don't do well when fans are mean, either. And, if you aren't going to offer me a multiyear contract, I hope me just "showing up" is good enough, because I know you don't consider me in your long term plans." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 3 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: I don't blame the guy, he is constantly criticized by fans and he knows he is clearly not part of the team's plans for the future. He is clocking in/out until his fate is sealed. He is a sitting duck before layoffs (the rebuild) are done For Armia's sake, I would hope he isn't checking out on purpose in a contract year. That wouldn't be very smart on his part. I also don't think he feels his days are numbered in Montreal; he has made it clear to management that he wants to stick around beyond this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 24 minutes ago, dlbalr said: ...he has made it clear to management that he wants to stick around beyond this season. At the right price, why not. Kapanen-Armia-Heineman, 4th line at practice yesterday... Go Finland! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 24 minutes ago, dlbalr said: For Armia's sake, I would hope he isn't checking out on purpose in a contract year. That wouldn't be very smart on his part. I also don't think he feels his days are numbered in Montreal; he has made it clear to management that he wants to stick around beyond this season. It would be absolutely silly to check out on purpose. I am not questioning his effort but the results are lacking (1 empty net goal) in 12 games. I have no problem with Armia sticking around but it would obviously be for far less money than he is making now or its bye bye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 49 minutes ago, Commandant said: He's a 10-15 goal guy and not a 50 goal guy cause he is prone to offensive slumps. He's playing hard on the boards and defensively though. I don't agree with these critiques of effort. Yep. I think he just is was he is at this point. A strong on the puck. Smart defensive player who has flashes of offense and can dominate in 4 or 5 games and year. Pretty good 3rd liner if his pay matched his production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 28 minutes ago, BCHabnut said: Yep. I think he just is was he is at this point. A strong on the puck. Smart defensive player who has flashes of offense and can dominate in 4 or 5 games and year. Pretty good 3rd liner if his pay matched his production. Indeed. He's a grinder who occasionally goes on a little hot streak offensively. What I'd be looking for from him is defensive metrics and a reasonable degree of strong-on-the-puck physicality. I haven't looked at comparables, but when you consider that the vastly superior Dakota Joshua re-upped with Van for a cap hit of 3.2, it's pretty clear that the real problem with Armia is less that he's a bottom-6 plodder and more that he is ridiculously overpaid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 4 hours ago, tomh009 said: I don't know how you have determined your hoots rating. I see a forward who is working hard every shift and winning battles for the puck. His ixGF says he should have scored another goal or two but he hasn't put the puck in the net. But how does that make him hootless? It was a frivolous add-on to the original post ... not certain I agree with your assessment, but he isn't I admit totally dogging it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 I don’t know this guy and I haven’t seen the clip so maybe bullocks. If true I wonder what Montreal offered for Necas? Perhaps Laine was plan B because Waddell said that deal came kind of last minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 Winnipeg reportedly offered Perfetti, McGroarty and a draft pick. Carolina declined it. Top-6 roster forward, 1st round prospect and an unknown pick. If the Laine trade was an indication, Montreal probably offered Harris plus prospects not named Hutson, Reinbacher or Beck and a pick. This is based purely on The Winnipeg offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNick Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 1 hour ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: I don’t know this guy and I haven’t seen the clip so maybe bullocks. If true I wonder what Montreal offered for Necas? Perhaps Laine was plan B because Waddell said that deal came kind of last minute. I heard they wanted Guhle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 16 minutes ago, GNick said: I heard they wanted Guhle A high price for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 5 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: A high price for sure A high price but Necas is certainly a high end talent, off to a tremendous start this year. Looking like Carolina made the right move keeping him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 2 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: A high price but Necas is certainly a high end talent, off to a tremendous start this year. Looking like Carolina made the right move keeping him. He's doing quite well, yes, but the contract they gave him walks him straight to UFA status at 27. His contract is a very short-term solution at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 Depending on the "price" I would be interested ... if Jiricek/Reinbacher and Mailloux ALL pan-out the habs have great depth and/or trade-chips ... if not, they have some "protection". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 1 hour ago, GHT120 said: Depending on the "price" I would be interested ... if Jiricek/Reinbacher and Mailloux ALL pan-out the habs have great depth and/or trade-chips ... if not, they have some "protection". Definitely interested depending on the price. Still only 20 (21 in a week), not sure what Edmonton can afford to give up. St. Louis took their best 2 prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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