Prime Minister Koivu Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 1 hour ago, hab29RETIRED said: Option 1 if Roy earns it. Should give him a decent look in any event. I’m trying to imagine how St. Louis will build the roster. I’m not sure Marty is the type to start Roy on second line but if he does great on bottom 6 then he might get a shot. I was also wondering if HuGo are going to permanently move Newhook to centre as a hedge against Dach. Dach misses most of this season to injuries again, I got to wonder is HuGo write him off of long term plans. The Newhook line looked excellent for about the last 25% of the season. Perhaps he is strong enough to hold a second line centre spot if need be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 14 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: I’m trying to imagine how St. Louis will build the roster. I’m not sure Marty is the type to start Roy on second line but if he does great on bottom 6 then he might get a shot. I was also wondering if HuGo are going to permanently move Newhook to centre as a hedge against Dach. Dach misses most of this season to injuries again, I got to wonder is HuGo write him off of long term plans. The Newhook line looked excellent for about the last 25% of the season. Perhaps he is strong enough to hold a second line centre spot if need be. If Roy starts on the 2nd line then he will have to earn it in training camp. When I saw Roy in his stint with the Habs last year I did not see a top 6 guy, more of a responsible 3rd line guy which is fine. However he is young (just turned 21) and this is his year to prove himself. St. Louis will make adjustments as he goes along, like he did last year. Hopefully Dach stays healthy so St. Louis won't have to experiment much, I think Newhook is more effective as a winger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I think Newhook is more effective as a winger. Maybe yes. But the team may still be better off with three decent centres (Suzuki, Dach and Newhook), especially when the inevitable injuries hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: If Roy starts on the 2nd line then he will have to earn it in training camp. When I saw Roy in his stint with the Habs last year I did not see a top 6 guy, more of a responsible 3rd line guy which is fine. However he is young (just turned 21) and this is his year to prove himself. I see him as a high IQ guy which might fit in well with Dach and Laine from a complementary standpoint. He may not be the most skilled but he might think the game the same way which is important in a 'read and react' system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 57 minutes ago, tomh009 said: Maybe yes. But the team may still be better off with three decent centres (Suzuki, Dach and Newhook), especially when the inevitable injuries hit. Yes, we are growing accustomed to injuries, seeing them as inevitable now. Maybe, just maybe we will get lucky this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 20 minutes ago, dlbalr said: I see him as a high IQ guy which might fit in well with Dach and Laine from a complementary standpoint. He may not be the most skilled but he might think the game the same way which is important in a 'read and react' system. Good point about his IQ, he did fit in well with talented players at the World Juniors. This is a big year for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 28 minutes ago, dlbalr said: I see him as a high IQ guy which might fit in well with Dach and Laine from a complementary standpoint. He may not be the most skilled but he might think the game the same way which is important in a 'read and react' system. Simply throwing the most talented players together does not always produce the best results ... as you suggest, Roy may well be the type of complementary player that adds more to a line than simple statistics reflect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Small sample size but Roys analytics were exceptionally good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 I’m excited for the season and I’m not alone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 18 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: I’m excited for the season and I’m not alone That's great to hear. The Habs are obviously a tight knit group. Bodes well for the season. I know I would feel much more comfortable joining a team knowing Arber is on my side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Just curious; Is Laine an average or good skater... for a big winger? Is he physical? Does he defend/back-check OK? I dont know if can read much from most player comments? They are always gonna put a good spin (cliche) on other teammates or outlook. But, hope is a good positive vibe overall, but how translates into results, we shall see. 8 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: The Habs are obviously a tight knit group. Bodes well for the season. https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/montreal-canadiens-news-patrik-laine-analysis-sean-monahan-comparison-arber-xhekaj-toronto-maple-leafs-offer-jordan-harris-oilers-offer-sheets-broberg-holloway/ "The good and the bad • Laine’s an elite shooter. He’s one of the few NHL snipers who can beat goalies clean from all angles in the offensive zone. He can be a difference maker. His best shift will bring Montreal supporters out of their seats. • Conversely, his effort on and off the puck can range wildly, and sometimes on the same shift. His late offensive zone exits and lack of attention to detail defensively will, at times, frustrate the Habs' coaching staff and fans alike." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 6 hours ago, DON said: Just curious; Is Laine an average or good skater... for a big winger? Is he physical? Does he defend/back-check OK? I dont know if can read much from most player comments? They are always gonna put a good spin (cliche) on other teammates or outlook. But, hope is a good positive vibe overall, but how translates into results, we shall see. https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/montreal-canadiens-news-patrik-laine-analysis-sean-monahan-comparison-arber-xhekaj-toronto-maple-leafs-offer-jordan-harris-oilers-offer-sheets-broberg-holloway/ "The good and the bad • Laine’s an elite shooter. He’s one of the few NHL snipers who can beat goalies clean from all angles in the offensive zone. He can be a difference maker. His best shift will bring Montreal supporters out of their seats. • Conversely, his effort on and off the puck can range wildly, and sometimes on the same shift. His late offensive zone exits and lack of attention to detail defensively will, at times, frustrate the Habs' coaching staff and fans alike." I was listening to a CBJ podcast where the verdict was that he’s not as one-dimensional (pure shooter) as believed, that he is physically strong and hard on the puck, therefore frustrating to play against. Not Selke material but not terrible defensively. Obviously not a guy to muck it up in the corners. Their takeaway is that he is just unreliable, always injured (or else in player assistance), and overpaid: “a very good second line winger.” I love the trade, but it occurs to me that a danger lurks here. Say Laine comes in, pumped up and healthy, and has a fantastic few months. Looks like his old self. He loves it here, the fans love him, MSL is pleased. The pressure will start to emerge to lock him up to a long-term deal. The danger is that we pull the trigger and do it - only to have him revert to his previous ways: either old demons gradually reassert, or he’s in and out of the lineup due to injury, etc. We have all this cap space invested during our “contending years” in a fragile and unreliable core piece. On the other hand, if Laine really has turned over a new leaf, would it make sense NOT to re-sign him given that our Cup window is supposed to be opening around the time his current contract expires? It’s a dilemma for another day, but I can see this emerging as a challenge and possible trap for HuGo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 You cant evem re-sign him before July 1st 2025, and there is little reason to do it right away either. Hes not a UFA til July 1st 2026... so it wont be on the basis of a few months but a full season or two of evaluation (both on and off ice) before that decision is made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 If he stays healthy, Laine makes the Habs a playoff bubble team. Because of the expected uneven effort, I see him as an excellent second-line winger. I would keep Caufield-Suzuki-Slafkovsky together and I would let Newhook-Dach-Laine sort it out during the first 20 games. Maybe moving another player up if that player is hot ands on on this trip is cold: to keep the second line going. Great trade by HughGort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Hughes has also proven himself to be an astute negotiator. I feel pretty confident that if Laine earns a new contract over the next two seasons, it will be a good value contract or Laine would be elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 28 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: Hughes has also proven himself to be an astute negotiator. I feel pretty confident that if Laine earns a new contract over the next two seasons, it will be a good value contract or Laine would be elsewhere. I think Hughes's background as a player agent really helps him evaluate and assess player/agent demands and determine what the Habs should (or should not) offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 1 hour ago, tomh009 said: I think Hughes's background as a player agent really helps him evaluate and assess player/agent demands and determine what the Habs should (or should not) offer. Yep I agree completely We have a very good GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 Encouraging ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 On 8/20/2024 at 9:56 AM, Prime Minister Koivu said: I don’t want to break up the Suzuki line but with pure offensive potential in mind, Laine - Dach - Slafkovsky This line has size, speed, elite passing, elite shooting and the ability to control the play. This is prime candidate for 60 secs H&G @dlbalr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 2 hours ago, JoeLassister said: This is prime candidate for 60 secs H&G @dlbalr Size-wise yes, but how high are their hit attributes? That's the true key to an effective 60-second H&G line... In all seriousness, Dach isn't the most physical and Laine will do just about anything to avoid contact so that might not be as much of a physical line as it might seem at first glance. Skill-wise, it's intriguing though and I'm sure it'll get a look at some point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 13 hours ago, dlbalr said: Size-wise yes, but how high are their hit attributes? That's the true key to an effective 60-second H&G line... In all seriousness, Dach isn't the most physical and Laine will do just about anything to avoid contact so that might not be as much of a physical line as it might seem at first glance. Skill-wise, it's intriguing though and I'm sure it'll get a look at some point. hehe yes, it was purely size-wise because none of them has Johan Lindt's grit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalhabs Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 5 hours ago, JoeLassister said: hehe yes, it was purely size-wise because none of them has Johan Lindt's grit Johan Lindt? Juha Lind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 2 hours ago, Dalhabs said: Johan Lindt? Juha Lind? hehe nah, it's Johan Lindt, the most powerful superstar the world of Hocky Simulation games has ever seen. Sorry for the confusion, it's really just an old Habsworld league inside joke with Brian and other ol' timers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 12 minutes ago, JoeLassister said: hehe nah, it's Johan Lindt, the most powerful superstar the world of Hocky Simulation games has ever seen. Sorry for the confusion, it's really just an old Hasborld league inside joke with Brian and other ol' timers. Thanks for clarifying as I had no idea what you guys were talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 16 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Thanks for clarifying as I had no idea what you guys were talking about. It wasnt just me then... haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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