Willey101 Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Moen/White/Darche/Blunden even Nokelainen kind of in same category but bring different things. I don't think you need all of them. I like White but maybe he is a guy you think about moving if you are stuck on Moen. Darche is gone I hope and we need 3 energy guys for that 3rd line. Moen and White would be 2/3's but we'd need a third. Whetehr that person is Blunden or Prust down the middle and White on the wing I don;t care. Enough of this mishmash 4th line that does nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 The value with ouellet is definitely there, I don't see an issue with value, especially since Ouellet has been very good this season, he's more than lived up to the selection and has passed some of the people picked ahead of him. Hed probably be a very early 2nd if the draft was redone today. That said, he's yet more of the same in our prospect pool, and I'd rather get the center like sheahan. Ouellet has similar stats as Beaulieu and might be fine for Moan? Can always just draft (concentrate on) mostly all forwards in June and he could be, in essance, the token 2nd round d-man? But Tomas Jurco was also a Detroit 2nd rounder who would be a much better fit to Hab needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Ouellet has similar stats as Beaulieu and might be fine for Moan? Can always just draft (concentrate on) mostly all forwards in June and he could be, in essance, the token 2nd round d-man? But Tomas Jurco was also a Detroit 2nd rounder who would be a much better fit to Hab needs. Ouellet is smaller and not as good defensively as Beaulieu, so the comparison kinda ends at the stats. That said he's a good prospect (Beaulieu is a great prospect IMO). I just don't see the need for him in the organization. If it came down to choosing between taking a 2nd rounder or Ouellet, I'd take Ouellet over Detroits second (likely to be a late pick), but I'd also enquire about the forwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Wings making a big deal to get Quiney back. Avs D is just garbage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Wings making a big deal to get Quiney back. Avs D is just garbage. Ponder this, the Wings waived Quincey due to lack of roster space just a few seasons ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Any interest in Campoli i wonder? He just seems so scary defensively that i assume he is only playing to be showcased and even Weber/St Denis are "better". Could they get a 3rd round pick maybe? 4th ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Ponder this, the Wings waived Quincey due to lack of roster space just a few seasons ago. Yep but I guess they liked how he continued to develop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Eklund saying we're "all-in" for Carter. I know not to believe everything he says, but just the thought of what "all-in" may be is kinda scary. Something tells me if we're to get Carter, it means saying bye-bye to Patches, Pleks, Subban or Price. I wouldn't consider parting with either of those acceptable to get Carter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwihab Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 While I'm not anti Carter the thing that would worry me is that if they are letting Gauthier make these sorts of deals, it would indicate he is staying on next year. Otherwise any new GM would have minimal flexability to set a direction for the team as the bulk of the cap would be commited into half a dozen players for the next 2-3 years and presumably Carter would cost us some youth eg Patches, Subban etc and maybe our 1st round pick. I am fine with Gauthier selling off UFA's for the best deals he can get, but if he is making longer term/higher value trades, then I worry about getting a new GM. Imagine the job interview: Molsen: We need you to come in and turn this team around. You have $8:50 in cap space and we are committed to Jeff Carter for the next 10 years, after trading all our young guys to get him our number 2 center is Scott Gomez and our best D-Man is Kaberle. Don't worry though, we paid heaps for them so they must be good eh? Hey, where are you going? Saying all that it is an Eklund rumour so could just as easily move that to the trade propoasl thread rather than the rumour thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehjay Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Eklund saying we're "all-in" for Carter. I know not to believe everything he says, but just the thought of what "all-in" may be is kinda scary. Something tells me if we're to get Carter, it means saying bye-bye to Patches, Pleks, Subban or Price. I wouldn't consider parting with either of those acceptable to get Carter. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Eklund saying we're "all-in" for Carter. I know not to believe everything he says, but just the thought of what "all-in" may be is kinda scary. Something tells me if we're to get Carter, it means saying bye-bye to Patches, Pleks, Subban or Price. I wouldn't consider parting with either of those acceptable to get Carter. No kidding. Eller or Desharnais plus, that might be a more sensible arrangement. The guys you list are all essential parts of the future core, with the possible exception of Pleks - but he should only be dealt if it's connected to a huge upgrade at C. Carter is not so far ahead of Pleks as to be considered such an upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huzer Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Bah, Eklund simply spun the TVAsports article that was floating around the other day. I'd say zero chance of the Habs getting him (although I'd take him on the team). I also don't think that the Habs would make a deal for Carter if it meant sending any of Patches, Pleks, Subban, or Price. No way at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Bah, Eklund simply spun the TVAsports article that was floating around the other day. I'd say zero chance of the Habs getting him (although I'd take him on the team). I also don't think that the Habs would make a deal for Carter if it meant sending any of Patches, Pleks, Subban, or Price. No way at all. I don't think very many of us trust this management group. That's a big part of the reason why rumours like this trigger such alarm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKross Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I don't think very many of us trust this management group. That's a big part of the reason why rumours like this trigger such alarm. Probably closer to 1) Eklund 2) Cone of silence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huzer Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I don't think very many of us trust this management group. That's a big part of the reason why rumours like this trigger such alarm. While I don't trust them either (to a certain extent because of how things have been handled during this season), I don't think the end result of the trades made during this season (reiterating to be clear) have been too bad, really. A 2nd, Geoffrion, Slaney for Gill/5th was a good return. I liked the Cammy/Bourque/Holland swap, and actually didn't mind the Spacek/Kaberle deal. I'm not TOO worried that a dealine trade is going to be something that's going to decimate the current roster. I also don't think the Habs will land Carter, and I simply think this is a case of rumor sites putting the typical formula of: big name + Habs = hits on their website. I think Montreal will potentiall deal Campoli, Kostitsyn, maybe Moen and move on with the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 While I don't trust them either (to a certain extent because of how things have been handled during this season), I don't think the end result of the trades made during this season (reiterating to be clear) have been too bad, really. A 2nd, Geoffrion, Slaney for Gill/5th was a good return. I liked the Cammy/Bourque/Holland swap, and actually didn't mind the Spacek/Kaberle deal. I'm not TOO worried that a dealine trade is going to be something that's going to decimate the current roster. I also don't think the Habs will land Carter, and I simply think this is a case of rumor sites putting the typical formula of: big name + Habs = hits on their website. I think Montreal will potentiall deal Campoli, Kostitsyn, maybe Moen and move on with the season. Well, my own view - charmingly dismissed as 'idiotic' by Habs29 - is that Gauthier's deals have been decent when looked at in isolation, but that they often suffer when considered in wider relief. The Cammy deal is OK on its own terms, especially when the salary issue is factored in. It makes a lot less sense when you ask whether (1) Cammy could have been packaged as part of a larger-scale, team-transforming deal and (2) it is intelligent to trade the leader of an anti-coach rebellion a month after accommodating him by firing the coach. Same thing with Kaberle: OK on its own terms (get a PP specialist to help the coach), incomprehensible in terms of timing (fire the coach a few games later). Gauthier's like a garderner who prides himself on his skill at pruning bushes, even as the garden around chokes to death from weeds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 No kidding. Eller or Desharnais plus, that might be a more sensible arrangement. The guys you list are all essential parts of the future core, with the possible exception of Pleks - but he should only be dealt if it's connected to a huge upgrade at C. Carter is not so far ahead of Pleks as to be considered such an upgrade. Honestly, I would rather keep Pleks if we can get Carter. If we trade Pleks away and Carter doesn't do so hot, we have an under performing #1 center and a weak second line center in Eller, or a undersized center in Desharnais. If Carter under performs, it may incline Pleks to step it up a notch and battle for the #1 spot. Competition between the 2 for the #1 spot may be what we need. If Carter performs nicely as #1 center, we now have one of the best 2nd line centers in the game playing on the second line. Carter-Pleks-Eller-White/Noke/Leblanc would make us one of the best teams down the middle of the ice. Desharnais is actually doing us a favor by playing well this year. Increasing his value. DD + Nashville 2nd + Diaz for Carter maybe? Maybe try to work Gomez in there if Howson is indeed looking for a cap hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huzer Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Well, my own view - charmingly dismissed as 'idiotic' by Habs29 - is that Gauthier's deals have been decent when looked at in isolation, but that they often suffer when considered in wider relief. That said, while I do not agree with the timing/actions of the trade, I don't think it's widely disputed that the actual content of any trades has been unanimously "bad". That's why I'm not worried about any personnel decisions being made (regarding players) right now. Heck, since no player is calling out the coach and the natives aren't asking for Cunneyworth's head on a platter, they probably won't trade anyone. Ha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKross Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Well, my own view - charmingly dismissed as 'idiotic' by Habs29 - is that Gauthier's deals have been decent when looked at in isolation, but that they often suffer when considered in wider relief. The Cammy deal is OK on its own terms, especially when the salary issue is factored in. It makes a lot less sense when you ask whether (1) Cammy could have been packaged as part of a larger-scale, team-transforming deal and (2) it is intelligent to trade the leader of an anti-coach rebellion a month after accommodating him by firing the coach. Same thing with Kaberle: OK on its own terms (get a PP specialist to help the coach), incomprehensible in terms of timing (fire the coach a few games later). Gauthier's like a garderner who prides himself on his skill at pruning bushes, even as the garden around chokes to death from weeds. I agree whole heartly. I too have had no problems with PG's trades and/or moves. I don't agree entirely with anybody, but Hab29 hits the nail on the head more times than anyone else on the board, as far as I am concerned. I don't agree with Habsy when he continues to beat head against wall to preserve the season instead of taking stock of where the team is, and how is the best way to move forward. I have even found myself agreeing with you at times, including this time. We are Habs fans, we want whats best for the Habs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmethead Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/335765.html This rumor, if anything, can be viewed as intriguing. No way they take a chance on Radulov if he isn't considering coming here. If only Grigorenko can fall into our laps as well. Makes me think Patrick might be on the horizon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsy Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 BlueKross, I've never done that my friend. All I've done, on the other thread, is continue to look at the possibilities. Because that's what the players, coaches, management and ownership are doing. They don't care about people's fantasies about draft day. And please, if you don't mind, getting a high draft pick isn't the only way to build a team. If we fall lower in the standings, great, I hope we select the player who has the best career. But we all know that even the first round can be full of duds. Like Benoit Pouliot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brobin Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Well, my own view - charmingly dismissed as 'idiotic' by Habs29 - is that Gauthier's deals have been decent when looked at in isolation, but that they often suffer when considered in wider relief. The Cammy deal is OK on its own terms, especially when the salary issue is factored in. It makes a lot less sense when you ask whether (1) Cammy could have been packaged as part of a larger-scale, team-transforming deal and (2) it is intelligent to trade the leader of an anti-coach rebellion a month after accommodating him by firing the coach. Same thing with Kaberle: OK on its own terms (get a PP specialist to help the coach), incomprehensible in terms of timing (fire the coach a few games later). Gauthier's like a garderner who prides himself on his skill at pruning bushes, even as the garden around chokes to death from weeds. Yes. Yes. Yes. I am not even sold on the trades one by one, but in the bigger picture, they make little sense and scream desperation. I like the Gill trade, but that was a straight forward deadline dump. I do not trust PG to do something like Carter, or any other long term trade. He needs to be gone and the new GM needs some room to clean up the mess left behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 There are rumblings Geoffrion is called up. Make of that what you will but I suspect it's in case some of the sick players can't go, not necessarily a trade. Note that the Habs only announce recalls after 5 PM (aka, smart cap management) so we won't know for sure for a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brobin Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 It sure is flu season. Dallas was sick too. Probably running its course through the league making games a bit unpredictable for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKross Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 BlueKross, I've never done that my friend. All I've done, on the other thread, is continue to look at the possibilities. Because that's what the players, coaches, management and ownership are doing. They don't care about people's fantasies about draft day. And please, if you don't mind, getting a high draft pick isn't the only way to build a team. If we fall lower in the standings, great, I hope we select the player who has the best career. But we all know that even the first round can be full of duds. Like Benoit Pouliot. Au Contraire: I never accepted your vision of what we were doing on that narrow pathway any more than you accepted mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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