Lanes World Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, GHT120 said: Great player in a WWE-ish sense (i.e., Steve Lombardi was a superstar) ... but being injury-prone is not a "trade-able offence" ... but it is reason for HuGo et al to assess whether he fits in mid/long-term plans. Great is a stretch. Good player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Reinbacher is accompanying the Habs on the road trip. For the practices maybe? David Reinbacher traveled to the West with the CH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Did Dach travel with the team last year? I know both he and Reinbacher were kept involved with team while out injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXx..CK..xXx Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 19 hours ago, DON said: He is the only solid LH defensive d-man they got. Hutson and Matheson wave hello. (I know you thought of them) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 4 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said: Hutson and Matheson wave hello. (I know you thought of them) Think you are kinda joking? Hutson can defend due to smarts/compete; but not a PK or strong physical d-man who wont get pushed around at times. And Matheson strong suit is primarily in offensive zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 2 Author Share Posted February 2 30 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said: Hutson and Matheson wave hello. (I know you thought of them) don't think either are "defensive d-men" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXx..CK..xXx Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 8 minutes ago, DON said: Think you are kinda joking? Hutson can defend due to smarts/compete; but not a PK or strong physical d-man who wont get pushed around at times. And Matheson strong suit is primarily in offensive zone. Yes, I was honestly just talking about LD rather than defensive LD so no worries there. You’re right. I was never intending to argue the point but Matheson had more blocked shots than Savard and Guhle last year (82 vs 70 & 62 games though) and is within 2 of Guhle this year. Matheson has the most giveaways but by far the most takeaways from the opposing team as well. Matheson has 37 takeaways and the second defender on the team is Guhle with only 13. There’s no hope for anyone giving him credit on this board for his defensive play but there are things he does well defensively due to his mobility. I won’t argue that either him or Hutson are specifically defensive d-men though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Matheson has been poor lately, but the tendency of fans to scapegoat him is overblown. He's a good player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 I don’t want to trade Guhle. He's on a cheap, team-friendly deal and we won’t get a similarly skilled player for anywhere near his value. I don’t think he is injury “prone”. It’s a tough sport. Injuries happen. Sometimes they come in bunches. Unfortunate when they do. That’s all this is. Ask me again in three seasons… maybe I’ll have changed my mind. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Even in games when Guhle hasnt got hurt, he has taken heavy hits and the blocked shots are bound to cost him over his career. Like everyone i hope Guhle plays big physical minutes for all 82 games next season, while putting up 35points, just not real confident it will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 30 minutes ago, DON said: Even in games when Guhle hasnt got hurt, he has taken heavy hits and the blocked shots are bound to cost him over his career. Like everyone i hope Guhle plays big physical minutes for all 82 games next season, while putting up 35points, just not real confident it will happen. Im pretty much here with Don. I have posted this before but my eye definitely notices a difference in Guhle since moving to the left side. He still takes a lot of punishment but he doesn’t get smoked near as often. This accident that happened has nothing to do with any of it. It was a bizarre accident that caused catastrophic damage. I also would not trade Guhle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 22 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: I also would not trade Guhle I would not trade Guhle for the sake of trading Guhle ... but, as has already been said, EVERYBODY can be traded if the return is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 But, i dont feel like trading Guhle any more today than 6 months ago. He was playing awesome till freakish accident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXx..CK..xXx Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 3 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Matheson has been poor lately, but the tendency of fans to scapegoat him is overblown. He's a good player. I am a Matheson fan but I agree he has had a little rough patch as of late. He was really good right before this stretch though. It’s a shame how he is treated and to top it all off, he is a local boy. If his last name were Mathefils fans would want him here forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 2 Author Share Posted February 2 6 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said: It’s a shame how he is treated and to top it all off, he is a local boy. If his last name were Mathefils fans would want him here forever. Jonathan Drouin, David Desharnais, and Patrice Brisebois disagree that struggling French players are treated better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXx..CK..xXx Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 32 minutes ago, Commandant said: Jonathan Drouin, David Desharnais, and Patrice Brisebois disagree that struggling French players are treated better. I’m sorry, I believe the point went over your head. Local french players as good as Matheson would get treated like royalty. Matheson was treated poorly prior to his recent struggles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 2 Author Share Posted February 2 12 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said: I’m sorry, I believe the point went over your head. Local french players as good as Matheson would get treated like royalty. Matheson was treated poorly prior to his recent struggles. Im sorry and I like Mattheson, but fact is he struggles at times (like all players) and when a player struggles they face heat on Montreal. I totally disagree that French players are given passes when they struggle. To my eye they get more praise when going well and more criticism when struggling. Right now mattheson has been struggling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXx..CK..xXx Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 17 minutes ago, Commandant said: Im sorry and I like Mattheson, but fact is he struggles at times (like all players) and when a player struggles they face heat on Montreal. I totally disagree that French players are given passes when they struggle. To my eye they get more praise when going well and more criticism when struggling. Right now mattheson has been struggling. Obviously players receive criticism when they aren’t playing well, regardless of language. What I have been saying is that Matheson is a great player and that a player of his calibre would be revelled by fans if he were french considering he is a local boy. I only say that because fans were criticizing him and his turnovers and “bonehead plays” EVEN WHEN HE WAS PLAYING LIKE AN ALL STAR WITH 96 POINTS IN HIS FIRST 132 GAMES. An average of 60 points per 82 games on defense. Considering he his local, and actually good he should be loved by fans regardless of whether or not he is french or english. That was my point. Or is it only praise that goes one way or the other when it comes to english local versus french local? The criticism he was receiving before has bled into the present but it didn’t just begin now. My comment about french vs english was tongue in cheek anyway, as there are fans from all over (Alberta, Ontario, BC, every province, USA, Europe, etc.) that have criticized Matheson over the three years he has been a Hab. They do not care about language, or whether or not he is local. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 2 Author Share Posted February 2 Mattheson does recieve unfair criticism but i just think its style. Like Petry and Subban, he does way more good than bad but the bad plays by these players seen as high risk puck movers in the market have always gotten more criticism. Id say that came with Brisebois too. Sheldon Souray was another. Its a certain style of defender who takes a lot of risks, even if they make good plays on those risky plays more than they make bad ones and are a net positive to the team, the ones that dont work seem to get heavily critiqued in the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 3 hours ago, Commandant said: Mattheson does recieve unfair criticism but i just think its style. Like Petry and Subban, he does way more good than bad but the bad plays by these players seen as high risk puck movers in the market have always gotten more criticism. Id say that came with Brisebois too. Sheldon Souray was another. Its a certain style of defender who takes a lot of risks, even if they make good plays on those risky plays more than they make bad ones and are a net positive to the team, the ones that dont work seem to get heavily critiqued in the market. Interesting observation about that running pattern. You’re right. I’ve never been able to understand this - to me, it’s OBVIOUS that these guys were huge net positives for the team - but a chunk of this fanbase refuses to accept that you can be an offensive defenceman who occasionally has lapses in his own end and yet is still tremendously valuable to team success. A blind spot, whereby unless you’re absolutely spectacular (like Hutson was until 2-3 weeks ago) some fans anoint you as a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXx..CK..xXx Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 A few other teams that are around us in the standings are missing some key players like us with Heineman and Guhle. Islanders - Barzal, Dobson Columbus - Marchenko, Fabbro, Monahan, Jenner Ottawa - Norris Boston - Lindholm Detroit - Petry, Compher Pittsburgh - Malkin Tampa - Moser, Johansson (backup goalie) Philly - Tippett, Ristolainen (short term) Deslauriers, Poehling (role players) Habs - Heineman, Guhle The only team relatively healthy right now are the Rangers. Long story short, #NoExcuses Not every team has an injury like Guhle’s which is potentially regular season ending but all teams are going through this race with injuries. Some which are fairly substantial. We need to be able to win with what we have in order to deserve a playoff spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 1 hour ago, xXx..CK..xXx said: Not every team has an injury like Guhle’s which is potentially regular season ending but all teams are going through this race with injuries. Some which are fairly substantial. We need to be able to win with what we have in order to deserve a playoff spot. Agreed. And Guhle's injury isn't even the biggest reason for the team's recent poor play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 4 Author Share Posted February 4 This team has no depth, which is normal given that they are still in a rebuild and a lot of the young pieces still need time. Other teams can handle injuries better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 1 hour ago, xXx..CK..xXx said: A few other teams that are around us in the standings are missing some key players like us with Heineman and Guhle. Islanders - Barzal, Dobson Columbus - Marchenko, Fabbro, Monahan, Jenner Ottawa - Norris Boston - Lindholm Detroit - Petry, Compher Pittsburgh - Malkin Tampa - Moser, Johansson (backup goalie) Philly - Tippett, Ristolainen (short term) Deslauriers, Poehling (role players) Habs - Heineman, Guhle The only team relatively healthy right now are the Rangers. Long story short, #NoExcuses Not every team has an injury like Guhle’s which is potentially regular season ending but all teams are going through this race with injuries. Some which are fairly substantial. We need to be able to win with what we have in order to deserve a playoff spot. It’s not just the injuries, we have a young inexperienced club, where the veterans are bottom of the lineup guys. We need the kids to drive the bus, but they aren’t ready - they haven’t learned what it takes to win. If it was Dvorak, Savard, or even Gallagher injured, we would probably be okay. saying every team has injuries does not mean we have an apples to apples comparison. Of those teams the only ones hit as hard as us are Columbus and the Islanders (but both have veteran players leading them, and still have primary roles on their teams - their veterans aren’t bottom of the lineup guys like ours. of the other teams - Malkin is a big loss, but the pens suck and were never expected to be a playoff team. In Boston, Lindholm has sucked anyways. Losing Petry is probably a plus at this point for Detroit - they are doing well because the kids are driving the bus and looks like they have learned how to win. Ditto with Ottawa. Our kids aren’t there yet - at least not enough of them. We don’t have the depth or experience to replace a Guhle. He is really only the only legit shutdown dman we have. Detroit and Ottawa went through these pains for the past couple of years, but they are ahead of us on their development curve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 37 minutes ago, Commandant said: This team has no depth, which is normal given that they are still in a rebuild and a lot of the young pieces still need time. Other teams can handle injuries better. 100% agree. And we don’t have any seasoned veterans that can take charge on the blue line- on a good team, Savard is a 6th dman at this stage of his career. We have no depth at D - particularly on RD and having 20 year olds playing out of position. Up front the kids are also still learning what it takes to win and deal with the grind of a 82 game season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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