hab29RETIRED Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2205753 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 The link seems to be dead. I think the teasing of the Habs around KK has been a nice marketing ploy by Carolina. But dedicating an entire website to the sole purpose of humiliating another organization seems a whole other level from a sports franchise. I doubt Bettman would allow that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 2 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: The link seems to be dead. I think the teasing of the Habs around KK has been a nice marketing ploy by Carolina. But dedicating an entire website to the sole purpose of humiliating another organization seems a whole other level from a sports franchise. I doubt Bettman would allow that. It's dead now but it was running after the game. I suspect someone from the league stepped in on that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 9 minutes ago, dlbalr said: It's dead now but it was running after the game. I suspect someone from the league stepped in on that one. It really feels a bit like piling on. I mean, the Have have sucked ass for 5 of the last 6 years and are sucking ass with renewed vigour this year. I guess we are widely perceived as a fatcat, privileged franchise, but having a successful organization continually kicking PR sand in the face of a floundering one isn't a great look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huzer Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 It's stupid social media trolling, but when I'm trying to teach my kid about sportsmanship and he sees this kind of stuff from a professional organization, ugh. What's next, when they win a playoff series are they going to skate by and make an L on their forehead at the opposing team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Canes are a Mickey Mouse organization. Who cares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Commandant said: Canes are a Mickey Mouse organization. Who cares. Nor certain about the whole organization ... but the owner pays the bills and he certainly is an @## Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 minute ago, GHT120 said: Nor certain about the whole organization ... but the owner pays the bills and he certainly is an @## The owner hires and fires everyone in the organization. He is ultimately responsible. The perception of the organization as Mickey Mouse is one that he has created. He's owned them long enough that his fingerprints are on everything, not Karmanos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 17 minutes ago, Commandant said: Canes are a Mickey Mouse organization. Who cares. They seem to be decent at getting good players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 41 minutes ago, Commandant said: The owner hires and fires everyone in the organization. He is ultimately responsible. The perception of the organization as Mickey Mouse is one that he has created. He's owned them long enough that his fingerprints are on everything, not Karmanos. and likely not Waddell either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 meh, who really cares about or follows Carolina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Boagalott Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Hmm, is that Cannes site really down? I'm guessing that a computer savy Habs fan has hacked the sites DNS and put it back up: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 4 hours ago, GHT120 said: Nor certain about the whole organization ... but the owner pays the bills and he certainly is an @## Let Carolina have it's fun for now. If they want to take joy in the Habs misfortune then they can fill their boots. We will have our day, might just have to be a little patient. What goes around comes around. I prefer the Habs to stay classy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 42 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Let Carolina have it's fun for now. If they want to take joy in the Habs misfortune then they can fill their boots. We will have our day, might just have to be a little patient. What goes around comes around. I prefer the Habs to stay classy. I suspect most the BlowHards "hockey people" feel the same way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Let Carolina have it's fun for now. If they want to take joy in the Habs misfortune then they can fill their boots. We will have our day, might just have to be a little patient. What goes around comes around. I prefer the Habs to stay classy. Yeah, our day will come…probably in another 28 years or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HabsWEST Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Have a look with waybackmachine site: https://web.archive.org/web/20211022041820/https://didthehabslose.godaddysites.com/ From yesterday, there you go. ( yes says it all and the class or lack thereof the Canes ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyhasbeen Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 I can't seem to remember, did they even make the playoffs last year? 6mil for a 3rd line center. What a joke team. Hmm he is on track for 30pnts though... as a top line winger. 200k per point. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 2 hours ago, johnnyhasbeen said: I can't seem to remember, did they even make the playoffs last year? 6mil for a 3rd line center. What a joke team. Hmm he is on track for 30pnts though... as a top line winger. 200k per point. lol Even strength, KK is 9th in TOI amongst BlowHards forwards thus far ... he is 10th in TOI in the PP TOI (1:24 versus the 3:26 to 3:45 on the first unit), so the last member of the second unit ... KK is not being used as a "top line" player by Carolina ... and, he is barely getting a sniff in the face-off circle (8th in number of faceoffs ... 3 in 5 games ... Adam Brooks has more than three times as many [10] in his one game played). His pre-arranged contract extension, that strictly speaking breaks the rules (enticing him to sign the 1-yr offer sheet by agreeing to the terms for the post 21-22 extension while he was still Habs property) but it can never be proven, will make far salary cap more sense. But I can't say his lack of success thus far in any way displeases me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Boagalott Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 3 hours ago, GHT120 said: His pre-arranged contract extension, that strictly speaking breaks the rules (enticing him to sign the 1-yr offer sheet by agreeing to the terms for the post 21-22 extension while he was still Habs property) but it can never be proven, will make far salary cap more sense. I absolutely agree that discussing and working out an extension should break the rules, but @dlbalr has said that it doesn't. I'm not suggesting he is wrong, but technically I would certainly think that should be viewed as circumventing the rules, which should be considered the same as breaking them. I believe there might be another way the Cannes potentially broke the rules too. i.e. GM's can't contact RFA's until the Free Agency period starts. However, what would happen if a player was talking to an RFA on another team and told them that their GM was interested in them? A player isn't a GM, so is that really allowed? Again, that would completely circumvent the rules. I have a feeling that is exactly what happened. There was an article that kk had played his last game with the Habs, and before the offer sheet was given. It seems like kk knew not to sign with the Habs and that an offer sheet was coming. If he was that disgruntled with the Habs that he wanted out, then why didnt he ask for trade? After kk signed the offer sheet I saw 1 interview with him in Finland where he was about to say something. However, his Dad was there off camera and cleared his throat to preemptively stop kk from saying whatever it was that he about to say. It looked so incredibly suspicious. I would have loved to have heard whatever it was that kk was about the let slip out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Sir_Boagalott said: I absolutely agree that discussing and working out an extension should break the rules, but @dlbalr has said that it doesn't. I'm not suggesting he is wrong, but technically I would certainly think that should be viewed as circumventing the rules, which should be considered the same as breaking them. I believe there might be another way the Cannes potentially broke the rules too. i.e. GM's can't contact RFA's until the Free Agency period starts. However, what would happen if a player was talking to an RFA on another team and told them that their GM was interested in them? A player isn't a GM, so is that really allowed? Again, that would completely circumvent the rules. I have a feeling that is exactly what happened. There was an article that kk had played his last game with the Habs, and before the offer sheet was given. It seems like kk knew not to sign with the Habs and that an offer sheet was coming. If he was that disgruntled with the Habs that he wanted out, then why didnt he ask for trade? After kk signed the offer sheet I saw 1 interview with him in Finland where he was about to say something. However, his Dad was there off camera and cleared his throat to preemptively stop kk from saying whatever it was that he about to say. It looked so incredibly suspicious. I would have loved to have heard whatever it was that kk was about the let slip out. Discussing the option of a longer contract as part of the pre-offer sheet negotiations is not against the rules ... my contention is that they almost assuredly actually agreed to two separate contracts ... one reflected in the offer sheet and other to be executed as soon as allowed after the offer sheet was signed (i.e., January 2022) ... I cannot see how THAT would not break, or at least circumvent, the CBA ... but it is immaterial as even if I am correct nothing can be proven unless one of the parties admits it ... my HOPE is that KK's play is so poor that it convinces the BlowHards to renege on the verbal deal and his long-term plans are scuttled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted October 27, 2021 Author Share Posted October 27, 2021 4 hours ago, Sir_Boagalott said: I absolutely agree that discussing and working out an extension should break the rules, but @dlbalr has said that it doesn't. I'm not suggesting he is wrong, but technically I would certainly think that should be viewed as circumventing the rules, which should be considered the same as breaking them. I believe there might be another way the Cannes potentially broke the rules too. i.e. GM's can't contact RFA's until the Free Agency period starts. However, what would happen if a player was talking to an RFA on another team and told them that their GM was interested in them? A player isn't a GM, so is that really allowed? Again, that would completely circumvent the rules. I have a feeling that is exactly what happened. There was an article that kk had played his last game with the Habs, and before the offer sheet was given. It seems like kk knew not to sign with the Habs and that an offer sheet was coming. If he was that disgruntled with the Habs that he wanted out, then why didnt he ask for trade? After kk signed the offer sheet I saw 1 interview with him in Finland where he was about to say something. However, his Dad was there off camera and cleared his throat to preemptively stop kk from saying whatever it was that he about to say. It looked so incredibly suspicious. I would have loved to have heard whatever it was that kk was about the let slip out. I think that article was written more from the view that the habs had fractured the relationship by sitting him in the finals. He obviously wasn’t happy, but the habs were also open to moving him. it was a perfect storm situation with the relationship, the Canes interest (high number of Finns), and the bad blood between the teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 20 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said: it was a perfect storm situation with the relationship, the Canes interest (high number of Finns), and the bad blood between the teams. Actually the Habs had more Finns on the roster last year (three) than the Hurricanes did (two). This year they each have three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Boagalott Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 1 hour ago, tomh009 said: Actually the Habs had more Finns on the roster last year (three) than the Hurricanes did (two). This year they each have three. Hmm, thats weird. I thought the Cannes had at least 3 Fins if not 4 before they poached kk. I still feel that 1 of the Cannes Fins likely contacted kk when he returned to Finland and let him know that Waddell was interested in him. Thats likely why kk was holding out until free agency started and didn't sign with the Habs because he was aware that an offre sheet was coming and from who. i.e. the Cannes franchise didn't talk to kk, but 1 of their players probably did on behalf of their franchise. If that happened they should get in trouble for breaking the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted October 27, 2021 Author Share Posted October 27, 2021 4 hours ago, tomh009 said: Actually the Habs had more Finns on the roster last year (three) than the Hurricanes did (two). This year they each have three. Fair enough. But they have the Finns I’d rather have and are much more desirable to play with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXx..CK..xXx Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 11 hours ago, tomh009 said: Actually the Habs had more Finns on the roster last year (three) than the Hurricanes did (two). This year they each have three. 3 each last year (Aho, Teravainen, Hakanpaa) Though Hakanpaa only player 15/56 games. Canes have 4 this year (Aho, Teravainen, Kotkaniemi, Rantaa) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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