DON Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 Flames vs Oilers today, always a good match up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 Juat a bit of Q&A PHR Mailbag: Impact Youngsters, Record-Breaking Contract, Fowler, Goalies, Struggling Contender, Minors (prohockeyrumors.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted October 14 Share Posted October 14 Best and worst goalies after one week of play. A very small sample size to be sure. BUT, Montembault is #1 baby and Primeau…well he had a tough game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 I think the Oilers need to go on a road trip. They look just dreadful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 14 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I think the Oilers need to go on a road trip. They look just dreadful. Not a big fan, so a crap season gives Canaucks a better shot at playoffs, is how i see it. Go Canucks, are overdue to get 1st cup! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 4 minutes ago, DON said: Not a big fan, so a crap season gives Canaucks a better shot at playoffs, is how i see it. Go Canucks, are overdue to get 1st cup! I would much rather see the Habs win their 25th cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 Just now, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I would much rather see the Habs win their 25th cup. It (nor playoffs) aint happening this year, so no worry there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 17 minutes ago, DON said: It (nor playoffs) aint happening this year, so no worry there. Most likely not but I haven't given up on the season yet. I also think the Canucks over achieved last year and they might struggle to make the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I also think the Canucks over achieved last year and they might struggle to make the playoffs. Agree, why Oilers sucking is fine by me. Did you see the braindead cross check by Drainsaitl on guy without the puck anywhere near him, no wonder they are losing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Most likely not but I haven't given up on the season yet. I also think the Canucks over achieved last year and they might struggle to make the playoffs. They overachieved for the first half of last season. I think they're a solid playoff club, but they're facing at least two significant challenges at the moment. One is that their franchise goalie is hurt (again). The other is that Elias Petterson has one point in three games. Hard to win when two of your three most important players - Hughes being the other one - aren't available/delivering. The Petterson psychodrama in Van is starting to remind me of the way we used to talk about Kovalev. I've been a big Petterson believer, but he was atrocious in the second half of last season, abysmal in the playoffs, and now - out of excuses - is still not doing much. At an 11.6 ticket, he doesn't have the luxury of being a 40-game-per-season performer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 8 minutes ago, DON said: Agree, why Oilers sucking is fine by me. Did you see the braindead cross check by Drainsaitl on guy without the puck anywhere near him, no wonder they are losing Not a good hit and kudos to Knoblauch for benching him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 Jeez. I though Colorado might be a .500 team while waiting for Nichushkin and Lehkonen and then get back to usual powerhouse status. But now Drouin, Woods and Toews are also injured. It might be tough for them to keep up. First 4 games : 8-4 L vs Vegas 6-4 L vs Columbus 6-2 L vs NYI 5-3 L vs Boston Their goalies have yet to put up a .900 effort. Brutal. Only bright side is their superstars Makar, MacK and Rantanen putting up lot of points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 Oettinger signed an 8x$8.25m extension. You'd have to think NYR isn't going to want go as high as $11m AAV for Shesterkin anymore. He's better but not that much better. It is hard to pull that off the table now though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 18 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said: Oettinger signed an 8x$8.25m extension. You'd have to think NYR isn't going to want go as high as $11m AAV for Shesterkin anymore. He's better but not that much better. It is hard to pull that off the table now though. It’s a brutal position to be in for the Rangers. Talk him down to a much lower offer or find a trade partner. It certainly doesn’t look like he will take less. So you keep your star goalie for a legit playoff run and then likely lose him for nothing as a UFA or you trade him to a team willing to pay what he wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 18 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: It’s a brutal position to be in for the Rangers. Talk him down to a much lower offer or find a trade partner. It certainly doesn’t look like he will take less. So you keep your star goalie for a legit playoff run and then likely lose him for nothing as a UFA or you trade him to a team willing to pay what he wants. How many teams are going to want to pay a high enough price in a trade to have the ability to pay a premium for Shesterkin on his next contract? We know goalie trade values generally aren't that great on their own and when 8/88 isn't enough for an extension, it'd give me pause about moving anything of consequence for him in a trade if I was a GM. I doubt there's a viable trade market for him for New York to get fair value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 28 minutes ago, dlbalr said: How many teams are going to want to pay a high enough price in a trade to have the ability to pay a premium for Shesterkin on his next contract? We know goalie trade values generally aren't that great on their own and when 8/88 isn't enough for an extension, it'd give me pause about moving anything of consequence for him in a trade if I was a GM. I doubt there's a viable trade market for him for New York to get fair value. You are absolutely right here. It’s why the Rangers are in a very tough spot. Pay up or lose him are poor options here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 1 hour ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: You are absolutely right here. It’s why the Rangers are in a very tough spot. Pay up or lose him are poor options here. It reminds me of when we had to re-sign Price. Although the Rags are a better team overall than we were at the time, they are still in a situation where losing their stud goalie would be borderline unthinkable. I strongly suspect they'll pay up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 1 hour ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: It reminds me of when we had to re-sign Price. Although the Rags are a better team overall than we were at the time, they are still in a situation where losing their stud goalie would be borderline unthinkable. I strongly suspect they'll pay up. I agree, I think they have little choice but to pay up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 3 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: You are absolutely right here. It’s why the Rangers are in a very tough spot. Pay up or lose him are poor options here. If the Rangers can't find a trade due to the high contract ask, as Brian pointed out, it puts pressure on Shesterkin. Assuming he then hits free agency, he loses all the leverage he has now. I seriously doubt any other team will offer a goalie 8x$11m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 42 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said: If the Rangers can't find a trade due to the high contract ask, as Brian pointed out, it puts pressure on Shesterkin. Assuming he then hits free agency, he loses all the leverage he has now. I seriously doubt any other team will offer a goalie 8x$11m. We offered 10.5 for Price. There are surely teams willing to accommodate that cap hit for an elite player like Shesterkin. There may not many but he will get offers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted October 18 Author Share Posted October 18 46 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: We offered 10.5 for Price. There are surely teams willing to accommodate that cap hit for an elite player like Shesterkin. There may not many but he will get offers. *** IF *** he goes to free agency, the question will be how important winning is to him ... many/most contenders would have difficulty fitting THAT much money under the cap next season, and/or do not need a goaltender (or would be able to move their current goaltender to make room for Igor). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 40 minutes ago, GHT120 said: *** IF *** he goes to free agency, the question will be how important winning is to him ... many/most contenders would have difficulty fitting THAT much money under the cap next season, and/or do not need a goaltender (or would be able to move their current goaltender to make room for Igor). When it comes to elite players, I think there will always be a market. If he doesn’t sign with Rangers and goes UFA there is the possibility that he screws himself and settles for 9 million or whatever. I think it’s likely he signs with the Rangers, unless bad blood has crept into their relationship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 16 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: When it comes to elite players, I think there will always be a market. 100% there will always be a market. As @GHT120 is pointing out, if he hits free agency, he will likely have to decide between money or contending. As for Montreal offering Price a $10.5m contract, it was under the same management that signed Gallagher to $6.5m while he was declining and and unproven Drouin to $5m, amongst other questionable contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 1 hour ago, GHT120 said: *** IF *** he goes to free agency, the question will be how important winning is to him ... many/most contenders would have difficulty fitting THAT much money under the cap next season, and/or do not need a goaltender (or would be able to move their current goaltender to make room for Igor). It's also possible that he really doesn't want to sign with the Rangers for some reason, and that's why he rejected their offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 3 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said: 100% there will always be a market. As @GHT120 is pointing out, if he hits free agency, he will likely have to decide between money or contending. As for Montreal offering Price a $10.5m contract, it was under the same management that signed Gallagher to $6.5m while he was declining and and unproven Drouin to $5m, amongst other questionable contracts. Any team would have signed Carey Price to that contract. You have to pay for elite talent and GMs know it. Fans are always imagining alternatives - 'maybe the Oilers will trade Dreisetil!' etc. - but it hardly ever happens. When you have a superstar on your team, you keep him. Much worse is signing a guy like Gallagher, whom everyone and his dog knew was unlikely to age well, to that deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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