2024-25 NHL discussion thread

[huzer]

I know LTIR has been beaten to death, but I think one simple solution is a rule similar to the NFL. If a player is on IR prior to the start of the season, that player is ineligible for the season, and they do not count against the cap/roster. Not to say, for example, a player with a tweaked ankle HAS to sit out the season if they start the year injured (you just don't IR him prior to league start), but a legitimate season ending injury (Krug, Backstrom, Weber, Price, etc). LTIR and its benefits (or drawbacks) can be used for players expected to return.

 

 

 

[Butterface]

Line up to start season ?

 

Suzuki with Slafkovsky and Caufield 

Dach with Newhook and Kapanen

Dvorak with Roy and Anderson

Evans with Armia and Gally 

 

Matheson with Guhle

Hutson with Savard

Xhekaj with Barron

 

Montembeault with Primeau as back up

 

Willing to put Struble in if Toronto doesn’t dress Reaves..

 

Anybody expecting it to be someone else over Kapanen ?

Guhle appear ready to play.

[GHT120]

2 hours ago, Butterface said:

Line up to start season ?

 

Suzuki with Slafkovsky and Caufield 

Dach with Newhook and Kapanen

Dvorak with Roy and Anderson

Evans with Armia and Gally 

 

Matheson with Guhle

Hutson with Savard

Xhekaj with Barron

 

Montembeault with Primeau as back up

 

Willing to put Struble in if Toronto doesn’t dress Reaves..

 

Anybody expecting it to be someone else over Kapanen ?

Guhle appear ready to play.

Pretty good guess I-M-O ... unless they decide (as suggested on TSN690 shortly ago) 7D/11F fo the first three games that might be a bit rougher to provide insulation for Hutson and/or Xhekaj spending a loy=t of time in the "sin-bin" or getting tossed.

[JoeLassister]

This  "can't report" thing baffles me.

 

If they know where he is, then send the medical over there. No ?

[GHT120]

20 minutes ago, JoeLassister said:

This  "can't report" thing baffles me.

 

If they know where he is, then send the medical over there. No ?

There are clearly significant details, that will not be made public, regarding why Lehner could not report ... VGK used it as an excuse to terminate ... that there was a settlement suggests that an NHLPA appeal had a good chance of success ... as dlbair pointed out, if the termination stood and the appeal was successful the end result in such cases is usually some sort of settlement ... they just fast-tracked to where it likely would have ended up anyway.

[Commandant]

1 hour ago, GHT120 said:

There are clearly significant details, that will not be made public, regarding why Lehner could not report ... VGK used it as an excuse to terminate ... that there was a settlement suggests that an NHLPA appeal had a good chance of success ... as dlbair pointed out, if the termination stood and the appeal was successful the end result in such cases is usually some sort of settlement ... they just fast-tracked to where it likely would have ended up anyway.

 

My issue is the amount paid in the settlements to Evander Kane and to Mike richards counted against their team's cap. 

Here we have, for the first time ever, Vegas is paying the player, with no cap hit, but it still counts against the player's 50% share of HRR.   Sorry, that's B.S.  If money is being paid, it should count on the cap.

[GHT120]

17 minutes ago, Commandant said:

My issue is the amount paid in the settlements to Evander Kane and to Mike richards counted against their team's cap. 

Here we have, for the first time ever, Vegas is paying the player, with no cap hit, but it still counts against the player's 50% share of HRR.   Sorry, that's B.S.  If money is being paid, it should count on the cap.

Don't necessarily disagree with you, but absent the full details and rationale neither can I agree.

[tomh009]

2 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

Don't necessarily disagree with you, but absent the full details and rationale neither can I agree.

This has nothing to do with the player's situation and everything to do with the favourable cap treatment of VGK. I don't know what could possibly justify exempting Vegas from the fundamental principles of the salary cap.

[Commandant]

18 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

Don't necessarily disagree with you, but absent the full details and rationale neither can I agree.

 

What percentage of his contract Lehner is entitled to is based on details we don't know. 

 

Whatever that answer is though, it should count on the cap.  Vegas as a team shouldn't benefit cause Lehner's issues are mental health and Legal, where teams like Montreal have to keep Price on the cap cause his issue is his knee.  The team shouldn't get a benefit here. 

[Prime Minister Koivu]

BOOOOOOOOO

 

I wanted a year of chaos in Boston 

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

59 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:

BOOOOOOOOO

 

I wanted a year of chaos in Boston 

 

I would prefer a year of chaos in Florida. 

[dlbalr]

Today's waiver list via PuckPedia:

 

VAN: Brannstrom

NYR: Robertson

NYI: Skarek, Hogberg, Hutton, Bolduc, Karlstrom, Foudy, Fasching, Engvall

OTT: Jenik, Gaudette

VGK: Rondbjerg, Laczynski, Aston-Reese

TOR: Rifai, Murray

STL: Tucker, Schueneman

BUF: Reimer, Rousek, Clague

PIT: Imama, Aho

BOS: Patera, Bussi, Sweezey, Viel, Brown

CGY: Schwindt, Cooley, Pelletier

DET: Holl, Lagesson, Rafferty, Snively, Dries

WSH: Shepard

EDM: Lavoie, Caggiula, J Brown, Rodrigue

WPG: Anderson-Dolan

NSH: Del Gaizo

NJD: White, Foote, DeSimone, Bowers

CHI: Phillips

CAR: Suzuki, Smith, Josiah Slavin

UTA: Villalta

LAK: Studnicka, Copley, Fagemo

TBL: Ylonen, Santini, Goncalves

[Commandant]

I'd grab Pelletier

[GHT120]

9 minutes ago, Commandant said:

I'd grab Pelletier

Tempting

 

But he is small (5'9", 170 lbs) ... entering his 4th pro season with only 4g/6a in 37 NHL games ... played 31 (13NHL/18 AHL) games last season; was he injured or sitting in Calgary?

 

If they could get him for Laval I would jump on him ... but he would have to stay with Habs and only go down if he cleared waivers.

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

Interesting to see Ylonen waived.

 

He looks like yet another somewhat-touted Habs prospect who came to nothing. Not to be negative - we finally have a genuinely strong pool of prospects and youngsters. It's just to say that he seems typical of the kind of player we would have been hyping up to the heavens during earlier eras.

[Helmethead]

Any value in a nepotistical move with Suzuki??

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

10 minutes ago, Helmethead said:

Any value in a nepotistical move with Suzuki??

I see zero value. He spent 4 years in the AHL and his best year was 14 goals.

[Helmethead]

5 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

I see zero value. He spent 4 years in the AHL and his best year was 14 goals.

I haven’t followed him at all. 
 

Appreciate the insight. 

[dlbalr]

Gage Goncalves could be an interesting one as well.  23 years old with two above-average years (54 points in 22-23, 58 last year) in Tampa's system, 2020 second-rounder, saw a couple of NHL games last year.

[DON]

If picked up, he would have to stay on Habs roster for a certain time before could be waived again, or something like that eh?

[Commandant]

2 hours ago, Helmethead said:

Any value in a nepotistical move with Suzuki??

 

No.  A waiver claim has to be on the NHL roster and hes not an NHL player 

[Commandant]

3 hours ago, GHT120 said:

Tempting

 

But he is small (5'9", 170 lbs) ... entering his 4th pro season with only 4g/6a in 37 NHL games ... played 31 (13NHL/18 AHL) games last season; was he injured or sitting in Calgary?

 

If they could get him for Laval I would jump on him ... but he would have to stay with Habs and only go down if he cleared waivers.

 

Hes scored in the AHL is why i think he might be worth a shot.

[Fanpuck33]

On 10/4/2024 at 9:16 PM, tomh009 said:

This has nothing to do with the player's situation and everything to do with the favourable cap treatment of VGK. I don't know what could possibly justify exempting Vegas from the fundamental principles of the salary cap.

 

Without knowing the details, I don't see how people can feel strongly one way or the other about it.  My personal theory is that Vegas had a legitimate case to terminate the contract and bring the cap hit off the books.  The league, however, felt that it would result in a bad hit to league PR and came to an agreement with both sides to avoid that.  They take a PR hit within the hockey world, but avoid one to the larger sporting world.

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

18 minutes ago, Fanpuck33 said:

 

Without knowing the details, I don't see how people can feel strongly one way or the other about it.  My personal theory is that Vegas had a legitimate case to terminate the contract and bring the cap hit off the books.  The league, however, felt that it would result in a bad hit to league PR and came to an agreement with both sides to avoid that.  They take a PR hit within the hockey world, but avoid one to the larger sporting world.

 

Your theory certainly sounds plausible. I don't think the people who run the NHL and the NHLPA are idiots and it might have been a PR nightmare to do anything else. We will likely never know. 

[Butterface]

https://montrealgazette.com/sports/hockey/nhl/hockey-inside-out/logan-mailloux-and-joshua-roy-among-players-cut-by-canadiens
 

Makes the line up clearer with Roy getting cut..