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Who cares about the 3rd round pick that was thrown in, does that make or break the deal? 

 

This trade was about trading Domi who had no place in the lineup, for a player with a defined place in the lineup. And as far as contracts go, you have to assume both GMs know what it is going to take to resign each, and that Domi's cap hit will be higher. 

 

I am disappointed he wasn't a part of a package for a star player just like everyone else, but before everyone dumps on Bergevin as usual, do you not think he tried? 

 

I do feel bad for Domi, he seemed quite happy to be in Montreal. But that excitement sure did seem to tamper during the playoffs when he was on the 4th line. He was my favorite Hab two years ago and I wish him all the best 

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How does Anderson skate?

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Just now, zumpano21 said:

How does Anderson skate?

On his feet lol 😂😎😜

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Well...I am basically supportive of Anderson-for-Domi, but you know, we can't simultaneously act like draft picks are valuable and act like they're not. Because player for player this seems an even swap, it is legitimate to argue that the Habs overpaid by tossing in the 3rd.

 

That said, am i losing sleep over it? No. But let's not start suddenly declaring that picks are worthless because we want to justify some decision MB made.

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10 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

 

Agree.

 

That said, I do think this trade improves the team. 20-goals, 40-points seems a reasonable projection for Anderson. Domi, meanwhile, was not going to be used in the top-6. There wasn't much point in having him noodling around unhappily on the fourth line passing the puck to cement-handed depth players like he did in the playoffs. So we subtract a guy who had no real role on the team for Joel Armia II. That's a plus.

Not wanting someone around got us less than a hockey puck for Ribeiro.  We’ve talked for years about the premium you have to pay for a centre, so now we move one for a winger and pay the premium.  I’d be much happier with this deal if we got a pick in return and we were still going big game hunting. Don’t see how that happens when we moved our biggest trade chip.

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43 minutes ago, Trizzak said:

I really hate this deal.

I'm unconvinced that it was a good idea.

 

 

18 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:

What’s a good addition?  A middle 6 winger, or a top line winger?  We needed a top line winger.  If he gets back to to 25+ goals AND stays healthy, than I’d say he’s a good addition.

 

looking at Anderson’s stats and injury history, compared to Domi, I don’t know why we are the ones adding a draft pick.   
 

Anderson MAY turn out to be a good player, but based on his statistical and injury history, I think we over-paid as usual. I also would rather have used Domi as a package to get a winger who has proven he can score 30+.

 

but MB likes big and he moved a smaller skilled player with some concerns for a bigger player with injury issues and less skill.

 

Ya, I was shocked to see the Habs gave up the 3rd rnd pick, CBJ should be giving the Habs a pic because Domi has more potential.

13 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:

 I get we have extra picks this year and I get we are getting close to the first COVID touch-less Halloween, but it doesn’t mean MB has to start passing out draft picks like candy.

 

Great analogy.  🤣

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44 minutes ago, Trizzak said:

I really hate this deal.

 

While I was in the Keep Domi camp, if you take into account that he was going to be moved, I think this is an excellent deal. I'm a little surprised at Montreal adding a pick, as I thought Columbus having to add may keep such a deal from happening. But it's not that big a deal to me. This has the potential to be a win-win type of deal.

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Looking forward ... it will be interesting to see how Domi and Torts get along ...

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10 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said:

On his feet lol 😂😎😜

Can we get a thread absolutely jammed with dad jokes? Asking for a friend.

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Both are RFA's, and due to his 70 pt season Domi will likely want over 5 mil/yr.  No clue what Anderson will want, but his last contract was 5.5 mil/3 yrs.  If he signs for 2-2.5 mil/yr he'll cost half of what Domi would have so the trade will make more sense cap wise. 

 

Either way I am certainly glad the Habs didnt get rid of Domi to a team in their division - that would have been a terrible idea. 

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Anderson looks like he should be able to produce more offence than Armia, although not radically so. Either way, we now have two credible middle-six right wingers.

 

It doesn't look like Anderson has seen much use on PP -- or on PK, for that matter -- in Columbus so I'm not expecting an improvement on that front. We may need to count on continued improvement from Kotkaniemi and Suzuki there.

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Does anyone believe that after this move and buying out Alzner, that we are not still big game hunting?

 

i still think we may be in on a big fish.

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2 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said:

Does anyone believe that after this move and buying out Alzner, that we are not still big game hunting?

 

i still think we may be in on a big fish.

 

I'll believe it when I see it.

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3 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said:

Does anyone believe that after this move and buying out Alzner, that we are not still big game hunting?

 

i still think we may be in on a big fish.

I hope he isn't done but i think he is. Like I said earlier would love for him to add dadonov to the forward mix before all is said and done. 

We still need to address the PP.

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With all the names available due to the cap crunch and the looming expansion draft, this is a golden opportunity to make a big splash.  Honestly, not attempting something is far worse than failing.  

 

Bergevin has draft picks, cap space and a decent prospect pool.  What he doesn’t have is time for that prospect pool or draft picks to mature before Price and Weber are too old and eating cap space, hindering making the team better.  This is the epitome of all in or all out.  There has never been or probably ever will be a golden opportunity like this to make a significant difference in a short amount of time. 

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I realize Domi had a down year (44 points which isn't bad) and his trade value was lower than usual, but I didn't realize it was this low.  Anderson is a nice addition, but also had a down year (4 points in 26 games) and serious injury that kept him out a long time.  Unless Anderson returns to form next season and beyond, Habs didn't get much bang for their buck here.

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We gave up the younger player with more creativity and more offense, who plays the more valuable position, who was 2 seasons away from unrestricted free agency.

 

For what? A guy coming off of 1 goal in 24 games played, who plays the least valuable position, who is one season away from unrestricted free agency - while it is more than incredibly likely that he goes to arbitration (and listens to his new team explain why he isn't worth a lot of money after they gave up a lot of talent to get him), and he'll get a 1 year deal and walk knowing that there are a bunch of knuckle-dragging GMs waiting to overpay him because "GRRR BIG MAN SHOOT" is what doctors prescribe every single NHL GM in lieu of Viagra.

 

And we gave up a 3rd round pick for this privilege?

 

Even if everything goes right and Anderson rebounds to being a 40 point player, signs long term at a reasonable price, never misses a game, and retires a Hab after hoisting multiple Cups for them, why is Montreal giving up so much right now for that kind of high risk?

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10 minutes ago, John B said:

I realize Domi had a down year (44 points which isn't bad) and his trade value was lower than usual, but I didn't realize it was this low.  Anderson is a nice addition, but also had a down year (4 points in 26 games) and serious injury that kept him out a long time.  Unless Anderson returns to form next season and beyond, Habs didn't get much bang for their buck here.

 

Well, this gets to a point I asked in the Rumour thread and didn't get much uptake on: what is a reasonable return one-on-one for Max Domi? I posited an Armia-type player and that is exactly what we got, albeit one with (probably) more offensive chops than Armia. I'm still waiting for other suggestions.

 

As for the idea of packaging Domi to get a star-calibre player back, it's an appealing scenario, but also one that lends itself to wishful thinking. When people say Domi + 16th overall + prospect for a star W, they tend to judiciously leave out exactly which prospect they mean. Caulfield? Romanov? I'm not sure I'd throw in either of those guys in such a deal. If you mean (say) Juulsen, it is unlikely that package brings back an elite W. So the "package Domi" argument sounds a lot better in the abstract than it does when you start to talk with some granularity about the assets involved.

 

7 minutes ago, Trizzak said:

 why is Montreal giving up so much right now for that kind of high risk?

 

I agree that the 3rd was an overpay. That said, Domi is not exactly a blue-ship asset, and if Anderson is healthy, he doesn't seem like some gigantic risk. 20/40 seems realistic. I mean, jeez, before his injury he was getting this kind of write-up:  https://ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/combining-size-skill-and-speed-blue-jackets-josh-anderson-is-the-type-of-player-every-team-covets No way do you get that guy back for a sub-par 2nd line C in Max Domi.

 

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17 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

 

Well, this gets to a point I asked in the Rumour thread and didn't get much uptake on: what is a reasonable return one-on-one for Max Domi? I posited an Armia-type player and that is exactly what we got, albeit one with (probably) more offensive chops than Armia. I'm still waiting for other suggestions.

 

As for the idea of packaging Domi to get a star-calibre player back, it's an appealing scenario, but also one that lends itself to wishful thinking. When people say Domi + 16th overall + prospect for a star W, they tend to judiciously leave out which prospect they mean. Caulfield? Romanov? I'm not sure I'd throw in either of those guys in such a deal.

I read your post in the rumor thread.  Honestly I wasn't sure if that was fair value at the time or not.  Apparently Bergevin and the Jackets thought so.  I think with so many other fans on other sites banging the "Domi had a 70 point season" drum so "we are undervaluing him" had me convinced he was worth more.  If Anderson didn't have the injury last year and would have been on pace for his usual point totals, I wouldn't feel like the Habs overpaid as much.  Anderson had a down year too, only his down year was far worse than Domi's and hasn't yet established himself as a consistent 40 point guy in the NHL.  FWIW, I remember reading rumors/speculation on other boards that Boston and another team (can't remember which one) was really interested in Anderson and that their 1st rounder was in play last season before they grabbed Ritchie from Anaheim.  So clearly, Anderson had/has value even with his injury if that rumor is true.  Just taken aback a bit that Domi lost that much value.

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49 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said:

Does anyone believe that after this move and buying out Alzner, that we are not still big game hunting?

 

i still think we may be in on a big fish.

They are done and no more 'big' moves are coming.

 

I dont know Anderson, but seems Domi had no roster spot that suited him, so seems a smart move.

We will see in the new year how the big bad Habs do.

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With Anderson now in the top 6 or at least top 9, is there room for another top 6 winger? If so, who gets bumped?

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58 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said:

Does anyone believe that after this move and buying out Alzner, that we are not still big game hunting?

 

i still think we may be in on a big fish.

An extra $667K in cap space hardly signals that a big move will follow ... not saying it won't, but don't think the Alzner buyout has anything to do with any other move.

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Colombus was poor at c it did not help productivity. I am ok with it, i see him with Drouin and Suzuki. 

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1 hour ago, TurdBurglar said:

Does anyone believe that after this move and buying out Alzner, that we are not still big game hunting?

 

i still think we may be in on a big fish.

 

With what money?  The Alzner buyout gives the Habs less cap space for next season than had they kept him and if Anderson gets a long-term deal, it's probably going to be somewhat close to what Domi gets.  They have give or take $2 million to spend and in that amount will be their in-season buffer for recalls and bonuses.  Unless they're moving another 'core' player out, they may be close to done.

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I swear we could have shipped Domi off for McDavid with Edmonton retaining salary and the same salty people would be complaining that it wasn't enough. 

 

Let's say it was an overpayment, is our team better is the only question that matters. 

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