Chris Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 If you can land a top of the line center then Subban is not untouchable. Like Pleks Subban and a first for Getlaf. I only do a move like that if th4 player coming back signs a long term deal. There has to be a complete overhaul in management and coaching to see how well Subban will progress. He is very young, Jm system doesn't really go with his strengths. he also needs to be allowed bottom pair minutes to help him in the long run. This year he has been really inconsistant, can't ever hit the net. All that being said, the really have knowone to replace him. Weber and Diaz aren't that good. Tinordi, Bealieu are both LD and a few years away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willey101 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 My take is that it depends on the return if in fact there is a trade. Let's just hope gauthier is listening and not acting however. otherwise this reminds me of when Atlanta traded Coburn and a 1st I think for Zhitnik just to be able to make the playoffs. remember that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehjay Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 No way, just no way. Molson is a fool if he allows this to continue. Anyway, I think he probably is regardless. It's not like he built the brewery himself. He's a rich kid with a toy. I honestly hope there is no truth to this. on all accounts. No trading Suban. No dominant foolness gene or rich kid syndrome in the beer man's kid. I pray with skates on, at the alter with the mesh back from the center where the CH is mirrored. Amen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 If you can land a top of the line center then Subban is not untouchable. Of course. There's no such thing as an untouchable player. However, I don't see any plausible trade for Subban right now, especially since his value is perceived low when he's right now playing better defensively than last season. He's just not scoring so it's being written as a poor season for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazy26 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 This is not happening...this is not happening... There aren't many things that would make me stop watching the Habs (temporarily at least)... but this would be one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 I would hope this is to get the value of Subban and nothing more. He's RFA at the end of the season and might be trying to demand big bucks. With any luck this is to get a league value of him so it can be used in negotiations for potential arbitration. If this isn't what it is, someone needs to cut the legs from Gauthier and get him out fast, before he turns into a Rejean Houle. Now I need to go wash my hands, just typing that name makes me feel dirty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brobin Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 If PG is out shopping Subban he needs to be fired ASAP, before he does something stupid. You do not trade you best young D in the middle of a rebuild. Subban is first on the team in TOI. While his offense is down he is tied with Kaberle for 18 points (and Kaberle is only for offense!). He plays PK, 5 on 5 and PP. His plus minus is Zero on a horrible team, second in the D only to Gorges who is only plus 10. This is in his 2nd year of the league, sophmore slump. I do not understand what people expect? Does he have to be plus 25 with 40 points now to be worth keeping? GRRRRR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Plex, Subban AND a first for Getzlaf? You'd be hard-pressed to convince me of value just with Plex and Subban. You know what you're getting with Getzlaf and, let's be honest, he's been no great shakes so far this season; struggling and slumping. There is nothing... NOTHING worse than trading a kid you KNOW is going to be special during his almost inevitable sophomore slump. Not unless the return you get is closing in on an elite superstar. That's what Subban projects to be at this point. Think about it. If he's struggling right now, but is still playing as well as he is and logging so many minutes, can you imagine what his game is going to be with a little more aging and maturing? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Plex, Subban AND a first for Getzlaf? You'd be hard-pressed to convince me of value just with Plex and Subban. You know what you're getting with Getzlaf and, let's be honest, he's been no great shakes so far this season; struggling and slumping. There is nothing... NOTHING worse than trading a kid you KNOW is going to be special during his almost inevitable sophomore slump. Not unless the return you get is closing in on an elite superstar. That's what Subban projects to be at this point. Think about it. If he's struggling right now, but is still playing as well as he is and logging so many minutes, can you imagine what his game is going to be with a little more aging and maturing? This. It is a sad testimony to our lack of confidence in the curent management that we're taking this rumour seriously. No team in its right mind would trade Subban. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Apparently the tweet was wrong... Marinaro never said that Subban was being shopped. What it was, was a hypothetical. Marinaro's cohost said, "Would you trade Subban straight up for Kovalchuk?" The cohost said yes, tony said no, and they argued about it for 20 minutes. They never actually said that they had information that Subban was on the block. Some average joe on twitter misrepresented what was talked about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 It's Marinaro reporting this. Does anything more need to be said? I'd feel more worried about it if Eklund was the one with this scoop. That said, they'd be wise to listen to offers as they would with any player...just as long as Gauthier isn't the one actively soliciting them (something I doubt given recent history). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willey101 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 I think the idea is that Subban is being shopped. I am of the beleif that a GM is not doing their job if this is not happening, I just fear this power in Gauthier's hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 If PK got traded I would be upset. Really I would and I am the type of guy who usually cheers for laundry if you catch my drift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willey101 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Now I am not sure if my deductive reasoning is good or not. Only link I can see here is the type of laudry people wear on their heads. doubt thats what you're referring to though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Now I am not sure if my deductive reasoning is good or not. Only link I can see here is the type of laudry people wear on their heads. doubt thats what you're referring to though. I cheer for the Jersey Could care less who the players are generaly speaking all I want is WIN and CUP that is that that is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willey101 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 As you can see I am clearly way the hell off. Wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 I cheer for the Jersey Could care less who the players are generaly speaking all I want is WIN and CUP that is that that is all. I agree 100%. I like some players more than others but ANYONE can play on the Habs if they help us to win. The thing is, a team in 'rebuild' mode that trades a franchise defenceman in his sophomore season is simply not a team that will win - unless the return is staggering. Rather, it's a team that has gone NY Islanders/Ballard Leafs stupid. When Houle was destroying my beloved Habs, I endured it because after 50 years of unbelievable success it seemed to be 'our turn' to hit rock bottom, the way all franchises eventually do. When Gainey came on board, the price seemed to have been paid and I rekindled at least some of my lost faith that the Habs could again become an elite franchise. We've flirted with that status here and there over the past few seasons, but never really attained it. I'm not sure that I can face a return to the dark ages of horrible management and blindingly idiotic decisions. If they trade Subban for anything other than a jaw-dropping return I'm gonna have to re-evaluate whether I can continue to invest so much passion into this team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Gauthier isn't with the team right now and has been spotted in New Jersey where the Devils host the Jets tonight. According to Winnipeg press, their GM Kevin Cheveldayoff is not with the team either. As NJ has been shorthanded on D for good chunks of the year, I think there's cause to speculate about a d-man possibly going that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Given the habs fear of anything controversial, I wouldnt be surprised if it was because PG doesn't want a guy who is being accused of spitting at the opposition . Great. Tony Marinaro has just confirmed that SUbban is being shopped around the league. This scares me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huzer Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Marinaro comfirmed it with who? Himself? Seems he confirms a lot of things that never materialize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KamalPanesar Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Kamal gotta disagree with Gill. I think if a team offers a 1st round pick for him then that GM should be fired on the spot. Gill is tremendously valuable as a PK specialist but there is no way he would fetch a 1st rounder. A late second rounder I can see unless a deal is made that is bigger than just 1 guy. And in regards to that offer....at $6.5 no way. Guys who sign the long term deals take a reduction per season and $6.5 is already among the top paid in the league. If he wants 10 years then perhaps we go for it but it better be in the $5.0 to $6.0 million range and aboslutely nothing more. I don't know man, under the right circumstances, I think some GM would overpay for Gill (a 1st). That being said, I think a 2nd is much more likely. As for Price, the numbers on this rumour and just ridiculous, imo. Which doesn't make it less true...I don't know, I like the idea of locking Price up long term, but a $7million contract on the books for that long, when there is an expiring CBA around the corner is slightly disturbing. Slightly. Great. Tony Marinaro has just confirmed that SUbban is being shopped around the league. This scares me. I hear that this weekend. You know, as frightening a thought as that is, IF Montreal is going to go out and get an elite (and I do stress elite) No. 1 center, for example, Subban is going to be part of that package, without question. Honestly, given how poor this team is performing, I think that outside of Price, no one is untouchable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KamalPanesar Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 No way, just no way. Molson is a fool if he allows this to continue. Anyway, I think he probably is regardless. It's not like he built the brewery himself. He's a rich kid with a toy. You're SO right and that is what is the most disturbing to me. IF Gauthier is gone at the end of the season (which most, myself included believe) then why is he being allowed to move assets and change the face of this team? Shouldn't that be the incoming GM's job? And since that isn't happening, does that mean that Molson actually has confidence in Gauthier? That's a more frightening thought than seeing Subban shopped, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KamalPanesar Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 My take is that it depends on the return if in fact there is a trade. Let's just hope gauthier is listening and not acting however. otherwise this reminds me of when Atlanta traded Coburn and a 1st I think for Zhitnik just to be able to make the playoffs. remember that one. If Cammalleri was shipped out of town, then I have to believe that Subban is being shopped NOT to make the playoffs, but to better the team, long term. Ryan Getzlaf anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 If Cammalleri was shipped out of town, then I have to believe that Subban is being shopped NOT to make the playoffs, but to better the team, long term. Ryan Getzlaf anyone? Subban for a Centre who could walk as a UFA in July 2013; HELL NO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habinator33 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 If I am trading Subban then it needs to be in a blockbuster type of deal where we get back a guy that is either currently an impact player or cleary is going to become an impact player and we need to have control of that player for at least 3 years with the hope of many more. That being said I don't really see any possible deals right now. If he is shopping him around it's probably just to gauge how much value Subban has to see if he can add a valuable piece to the team either now or at draft day or if it is just worth more to hold onto him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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