JoeLassister Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Habs should be looking for younger core pieces that may be a bit of a gamble, kinda like paying for potential, on shorter term deals. What teams are about to get into a mess cap wise ? Which of them have good young expendable RW or players in general ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l<OV4L3V Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 What teams are about to get into a mess cap wise ? Which of them have good young expendable RW or players in general ? Our team is in a cap mess. I dont even know how either? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 dlbalr, what might Andrighetto get back in trade value? 4 or 5th round pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Buy low on Yakupov. Take the risk that him and his buddy Chucky can find their chemistry again. A forward who can actually one time the puck is a missing piece on MTL's powerplay too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I think the time to buy low on yakapov has passed. He was playing well before he got injured. Buy low on Yakupov. Take the risk that him and his buddy Chucky can find their chemistry again. A forward who can actually one time the puck is a missing piece on MTL's powerplay too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I think the time to buy low on yakapov has passed. He was playing well before he got injured. He was playing well beside mcdavid for sure. Now he's playing third line and off the power play. There was also a Rumour that Yakupov may have been involved in a bigger trade than just Scrivens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted February 12, 2016 Author Share Posted February 12, 2016 dlbalr, what might Andrighetto get back in trade value? 4 or 5th round pick? In the offseason, he'd be in that range. Right now, his independent value is probably a 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Problem with the Oilers is that they're looking for a young top four defenseman in the 23 to 26 years old. I personally don't think that RNH, Yakupov, or Eberle are players they want to trade. I think that they are players that they are willing to give up in exchange for what they want (young top 4 dman). Canadiens can't afford to give up a good young dman with Markov on the decline and likely finished after next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Can they afford to go another year with zero all-star forwards? Wouldn't impact be better if trade Beaulieu (who is #4-5 d-man) & a pick and add an Eberle to top six? And still have Price, Subban, Markov, Petry, Pateryn, UFA and X (experienced low budget d, maybe resign Gilbert) to defend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 If you can get an RNH or an Eberle for Beaulieu; I'm good with that. You better be going hard on Keith Yandle or Dan Hamhuis in free agency though, cause the left side of the defence would need bigtime help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 I agree with you Commandant that they would need to go hard after a top defenseman in the UFA market. I also agree that if the Habs can get a lights out deal for Beaulieu (or any other player) that they should go for it. The problem I have with trading Beaulieu (other than Markov being gone after next season), is that the Habs have a young blueliner that can play on the second pair and has $1 mil cap hit this season and next (in Beaulieu). After that he's an RFA, which gives the Habs plenty of leverage to sign him to another cap friendly deal. Yandle is believed to be looking for between 5 and 6 mil long term on his next contract. I'm sure Hamhuis and even Goligoski (who is also a LHD and UFA) will be looking for close to the same. Will Beaulieu ever be a top pairing guy? Probably not. I see him more as a useful 2nd pairing guy that can be used on the PP. If the Habs sign him to an extension on July 1st they could probably get him for around 4 mil a season or less depending on term. The shorter the term, the less they would have to pay (or that seems to be the trend when it comes to young players/RFAs anyway). I'm hoping the Habs lock him and Galchenyuk up to extensions before next season. That is assuming that management believes those players will hit their ceilings and that those players are part of the future. Hopefully they don't repeat the mistake they made with Subban and wait until these guys break out and have to pay out the a** to keep them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Debatable it was a mistake in Subban's contracts and if it is, it is splitting hairs. Beaulieu is a young d-man who can skate and has puck skills, but to get a top notch forward in a trade it will likely be painful and cost some promising asset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 That's the dilemma. The only really alluring asset we have to offer in exchange for a good young FW is Beaulieu. But as I've said for years, Beaulieu has a very important structural role within our organization: he is effectively Markov's successor. I doubt he'll ever be as good as Markov, but that's another story. So barring some other sort of move to upgrade at FW, the real question is: is it easier to find a top-4 LD or a top-6 W on the UFA market? If it's easier to get a FW, then keep Beaulieu. Otherwise, the only way out of the trap may be to trade him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 That's the dilemma. The only really alluring asset we have to offer in exchange for a good young FW is Beaulieu. But as I've said for years, Beaulieu has a very important structural role within our organization: he is effectively Markov's successor. I doubt he'll ever be as good as Markov, but that's another story. So barring some other sort of move to upgrade at FW, the real question is: is it easier to find a top-4 LD or a top-6 W on the UFA market? If it's easier to get a FW, then keep Beaulieu. Otherwise, the only way out of the trap may be to trade him. This summer, there are FAR, FAR more top 6 fwds on the market than LHD Last summer was the opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 This summer, there are FAR, FAR more top 6 fwds on the market than LHD Last summer was the opposite. So, it sounds like we should shop Beaulieu around, then go all-in on whichever LHD fills the void. I don't like Hamhuis myself; he's played well since coming back from injury, be he was absolutely atrocious earlier in the year. IMHO he may be past his best-before date, no longer the reliable game-in game-out performer he was in his prime. Maybe Yandle's a better bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 So, it sounds like we should shop Beaulieu around, then go all-in on whichever LHD fills the void. I don't like Hamhuis myself; he's played well since coming back from injury, be he was absolutely atrocious earlier in the year. IMHO he may be past his best-before date, no longer the reliable game-in game-out performer he was in his prime. Maybe Yandle's a better bet. I'd say the opposite... keep Beaulieu and try to sign a top 6 out of the relatively large number that is available July 1st. At least this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 So, it sounds like we should shop Beaulieu around, then go all-in on whichever LHD fills the void. I don't like Hamhuis myself; he's played well since coming back from injury, be he was absolutely atrocious earlier in the year. IMHO he may be past his best-before date, no longer the reliable game-in game-out performer he was in his prime. Maybe Yandle's a better bet. CC I think you read that wrong my friend. We should keep Beaulieu because LHD are hard to find this year and go after a goal scorer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 CC I think you read that wrong my friend. We should keep Beaulieu because LHD are hard to find this year and go after a goal scorer. Yeah, stupid misread on my part - sorry about that. (This is what happens when you post on 3 hours' sleep). Keep Nate the Grate, sign a UFA FW, got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmethead Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Just woke up and I'm only on 4 hrs of sleep but my groggy mind was thinking. How ridiculous would it be to trade the Captain for Stamkos AND Drouin?? I don't know how the contract extensions would have to be structured in order for all this to work under the cap but it would definitely be a move that would shake the core to its foundation. Then again; maybe I should just go back to bed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 the last bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 the last bit. Baha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 How about we try to pry a young stud from Dallas: Markov Weise Smith-Pelly for Hemsky (salary filler) Nichushkin Probably not enough from our end... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Think would need to switch Pelly with Beaulieu at least, the big Russian kid wouldn't come cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 How about we try to pry a young stud from Dallas: Markov Weise Smith-Pelly for Hemsky (salary filler) Nichushkin Probably not enough from our end... Good trade for both sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nihilz Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Markov & Weise for Beagle & Orlov for Nichushkin & Demers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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