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1 minute ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

So just bring in an ex player who can speak French and has won. Sounds like Rejean Houle 2.0

At least Luongo and Brodeur both went into hockey management post-career ... not beer sales ... but I think both are a little green ... unless they can get an experienced, winner as Team President (e.g, like Lou Lamoriello - who obviously is not available) to guide/groom them

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10 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

 

Just because he was a great goalie you think he would be a successful GM?  Great players don't necessarily make good coaches or GM's. 

He's been working in the front office since he retried.  He's been being groomed to be a gm. That's why I would bring him in.

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12 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

 

Those two would not be good candidates. I think McGuire would be awful, I don't trust the judgement of anybody who doesn't think McDavid is the best player in the game. 

I would bring in McGuire to replace Timmins and rebuild our scouting staff. He knows his players. 

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46 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

 

Be very careful what you wish for. I still remember Rejean Houle. And both Roy and McGuire will be mooted as serious candidates for the role. God help us.

Yeah. I want nothing to do with either of them. I’d rather have Roy over McGuire, but don’t want either. I doubt if roy has the patience to be part of a rebuild, or even the patience to wait fir KK or Suzuki if they need another year to develop. 

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43 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

 

All for it. I wouldn't shit on Bobby Lou either

I’d rather have either of them come in as a President. But than Molson would have to fire himself, and I can’t see that happening.

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23 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said:

I would bring in McGuire to replace Timmins and rebuild our scouting staff. He knows his players. 

Off the reservation McGuire knows his players???

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1 hour ago, Chris said:

What has Bouchard accomplished as a GM? 

 

At least he's held the job in the QMJHL and was highly successful with that team. 

 

Brodeur was with the Blues, but through the failure years.  He left for Jersey before the O'Reilly trade that changed the team.  In Jersey he was VP of BUSINESS Development for most of his time there, not working on the hockey side until Shero was fired. 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Commandant said:

 

At least he's held the job in the QMJHL and was highly successful with that team. 

 

Brodeur was with the Blues, but through the failure years.  He left for Jersey before the O'Reilly trade that changed the team.  In Jersey he was VP of BUSINESS Development for most of his time there, not working on the hockey side until Shero was fired. 

 

 

That’s why I’d want him as a president, so he can be the face of the franchise and hopefully give us a non-French GM option.  I. Other words, expand his PR role.

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2 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:

I’m not sure this leads to a Bergevin firing. 
 

Ducharme should be let go. He is not ready for the job. 
 

Make no mistake, I want everyone fired and replaced. Fresh eyes, fresh voices, fresh direction. That includes Bergevin but Molson is a flake

I’m not sure either - because as you said, Molson is a flake, and I’ll add ball-less idiot.

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24 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:

ok, I will put my potato neck on the chopping block:

 

I would keep Bergeving and Ducharme for next season

 

 

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3 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:

I’m not sure this leads to a Bergevin firing. 
Ducharme should be let go. He is not ready for the job ...

Unless you give Bergevin an extension for "winning the off-season" he only has one season left ... does Molson let him commit the team to a multi-year contract? ... what coach signs with a GM who is in his last year?  ... how many GMs get to select a fourth coach?

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Just now, GHT120 said:

Unless you give Bergevin an extension for "winning the off-season" he only has one season left ... does Molson let him commit the team to a multi-year contract? ... what coach signs with a GM who is in his last year?  ... how many GMs get to select a fourth coach?

 

 

24 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:

ok, I will put my potato neck on the chopping block:

 

I would keep Bergeving and Ducharme for next season

 


I would not be surprised if both get a nice new contract. Molson is an awful owner. 
 

Both Bergevin and Ducharme have proven to me that neither one understands the direct correlation between the Dzone breakout and offence. 
 

It is the responsibility of Dmen to start the rush but they don’t. They chip the puck out and get hemmed in their zone for long periods of time.
 

We are a rushing team that has 0 rush support from the defence (until the Ozone then we try and pass the puck for point shots). All this is because our management does not understand this basic fundamental truth. If we want our D to be defensive specialists only then we should be playing a cycle style with hard forecheck 

 

Please, for the good of the team, we need new eyes

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Bergevin is fine for another year in my books but I’m not particularly a fan of Ducharme, and never was. If that was Bergevin’s decision, which it was, then that should indeed fall on him as well.

 

I wouldn’t fire him for left D this, first line center that. 
 

Our defensive corps as an entirety is at worst in the top half of the league. Weber and Petry were two of the best offensive defensemen in the league during the regular season.

 

It’s like people compare our d corps to how d corps used to be in 1999, rather than compare them to other teams in the league now. There are certainly some recent defensive corps that have been elite. I can think of recent Nashville, or Tampa Bay teams.
 

With that being said, there are so many teams in the league nowadays that have a “who is that?” name in the top 4, and sometimes even on the top pairing. Why this change has happened? I’m not sure. Perhaps cap space, or something akin to the “death of the enforcer”, but in reverse.

 

With that being said, time will tell whether or not

 

1) We can make any sort of pushback in this series.

 

2) How will/would the Leafs look against Winnipeg, or other competition.

 

3) We’ve either been extremely lacklustre, or the Leafs have helped us look that way. Remembering that they were 1st overall in the division.

 

I’m not on the fire Bergevin bandwagon but I’l take an astute coach, and he needs to keep improving our team. 

 

“Rebuild this. Rebuild that.”

 

No thanks. Weren’t some people praising New York For their public rebuild/retool a few years ago? Doesn’t look like that has worked out for them. Also, new faces and new direction guarantees absolute zilch. 

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NY also canned everyone and i mean everyone for the past 3 years poor results, 

 

MB gets 9? 

 

Pushback? This is men against boys, Maybe they will be really really mad next game and actually score a goal 

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10 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:

Bergevin is fine for another year in my books but I’m not particularly a fan of Ducharme, and never was. If that was Bergevin’s decision, which it was, then that should indeed fall on him as well.

 

I wouldn’t fire him for left D this, first line center that. 
 

Our defensive corps as an entirety is at worst in the top half of the league. Weber and Petry were two of the best offensive defensemen in the league during the regular season.

 

It’s like people compare our d corps to how d corps used to be in 1999, rather than compare them to other teams in the league now. There are certainly some recent defensive corps that have been elite. I can think of recent Nashville, or Tampa Bay teams.
 

With that being said, there are so many teams in the league nowadays that have a “who is that?” name in the top 4, and sometimes even on the top pairing. Why this change has happened? I’m not sure. Perhaps cap space, or something akin to the “death of the enforcer”, but in reverse.

 

With that being said, time will tell whether or not

 

1) We can make any sort of pushback in this series.

 

2) How will/would the Leafs look against Winnipeg, or other competition.

 

3) We’ve either been extremely lacklustre, or the Leafs have helped us look that way. Remembering that they were 1st overall in the division.

 

I’m not on the fire Bergevin bandwagon but I’l take an astute coach, and he needs to keep improving our team. 

 

“Rebuild this. Rebuild that.”

 

No thanks. Weren’t some people praising New York For their public rebuild/retool a few years ago? Doesn’t look like that has worked out for them. Also, new faces and new direction guarantees absolute zilch. 


While that is true, using the same faces and direction ensures the same results. 
 

We finished well outside of a playoff birth if it weren’t for covid. 
 

We can’t score and our goal production over the last 5 years is near the bottom. 
 

9 years is enough, it’s time for a new voice

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29 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:

Bergevin is fine for another year in my books but I’m not particularly a fan of Ducharme, and never was. If that was Bergevin’s decision, which it was, then that should indeed fall on him as well.

 

I wouldn’t fire him for left D this, first line center that. 
 

Our defensive corps as an entirety is at worst in the top half of the league. Weber and Petry were two of the best offensive defensemen in the league during the regular season.

 

It’s like people compare our d corps to how d corps used to be in 1999, rather than compare them to other teams in the league now. There are certainly some recent defensive corps that have been elite. I can think of recent Nashville, or Tampa Bay teams.
 

With that being said, there are so many teams in the league nowadays that have a “who is that?” name in the top 4, and sometimes even on the top pairing. Why this change has happened? I’m not sure. Perhaps cap space, or something akin to the “death of the enforcer”, but in reverse.

 

With that being said, time will tell whether or not

 

1) We can make any sort of pushback in this series.

 

2) How will/would the Leafs look against Winnipeg, or other competition.

 

3) We’ve either been extremely lacklustre, or the Leafs have helped us look that way. Remembering that they were 1st overall in the division.

 

I’m not on the fire Bergevin bandwagon but I’l take an astute coach, and he needs to keep improving our team. 

 

“Rebuild this. Rebuild that.”

 

No thanks. Weren’t some people praising New York For their public rebuild/retool a few years ago? Doesn’t look like that has worked out for them. Also, new faces and new direction guarantees absolute zilch. 

 

Um, Shea Weber had 19 points and was 61st among defencemen. Even in goals scored, his traditional area of dominance, he was 31st best at his position.

 

He is elite at exactly nothing at this point.

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6 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

 

Um, Shea Weber had 19 points and was 61st among defencemen. Even in goals scored, his traditional area of dominance, he was 31st best at his position.

 

He is elite at exactly nothing at this point.


He remains an elite cross checker 

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Sad as it is, he is still the 2nd best Dman on the team, which says it all 

 

Didn't MB himself say they had to do damage in playoffs or his job was in jeopardy? 

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36 minutes ago, Chris said:

NY also canned everyone and i mean everyone for the past 3 years poor results, 

 

MB gets 9? 

 

Pushback? This is men against boys, Maybe they will be really really mad next game and actually score a goal 

That’s the point. They canned everyone and are still going nowhere. They’ve been more of a shit-show than the Habs, yet they’re going the route everyone would praise. 
 

The Leafs are actually 27.55 average age and the Habs are 28.04 so depending on your definition, this is actually men against men.

 

If you are saying it in an expression of speech type of way, then that was also the point. The Leafs are a solid team, it just usually lasts only during the regular season for them. This is also the reason, I know they will eventually choke. Whether it’s this series or the next.

 

Finally, your opinion on the potential pushback of the Habs means zero. If it were to happen, you would simply vanish until their next loss anyway. Don’t expect me to be surprised about your personal opinion in regards to a pushback by the Habs.
 

21 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

 

Um, Shea Weber had 19 points and was 61st among defencemen. Even in goals scored, his traditional area of dominance, he was 31st best at his position.

 

He is elite at exactly nothing at this point.

Okay, so if we want to spin things into a negative and discuss his 61st position in points... Based on the reality of there being 31 teams in the league, Shea Weber is either the worst top pairing defenseman, or the absolute best second pairing d-man in the league based on points alone. Which would you prefer?

 

Let’s not forget that Weber had the 7th most goals amongst defensemen in the league on the power play. Considering he is not known to be a power play specialist in the same regard as say, a MAB, one would think this could be taken into consideration when discussing his offense.

 

Anyway, I know that when discussing things like Josh Anderson being worth more than points, it will be accepted as a defense of his 7 million cap hit. Yet when the same concept of intangibles would be discussed concerning Weber, it would be laughed at and described as mythological. 
 

I wouldn’t call Weber elite, and I’m not sure where that came from. I would say he is still elite  when it comes to power play goals, as well as the power on his shot. He is still elite there, yet the main focus to a certain breed would rather be to mention how often he misses the net.

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