Commandant Posted June 23, 2024 Share Posted June 23, 2024 47 minutes ago, DON said: There must at least 10 or more NHL centres that would be chosen for a team today before Suzuki would be? So, you think he is (not will be in future) a top 10 NHL centre? Is that what you are arguing about and him not being more a middle of pack #1? Again, not sure anyone outside of HabFans would disagree? Yes, I think a PPG level centre with Selke level defence is a top 10 centre. Top 10 in points isn't the same as top 10 in impact on the ice. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 23, 2024 Share Posted June 23, 2024 19 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said: I totally agree , but Johnson is one guy who will absolutely be a centre. Man I really wish Nill had taken the GM job in Montreal! Amazing drafting and development! I think Johnston is great... I'm just saying he didn't play centre, so 47 centres who scored 60 points isn't correct.... its at least 39... and maybe less. I'd have to look at guys like Verhaeghe, Stamkos, and a few others to see how much of their season was spent at Centre, and how much was on the wing.... anyone with less than 50% of their shifts at Centre, shouldn't be listed as a Centre IMO... if you play more shifts on wing than at Centre, your primary position is wing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 23, 2024 Share Posted June 23, 2024 On 6/22/2024 at 9:22 AM, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: That’s a lot of ifs. The ideal play is for the Habs to draft or acquire an impact FW who can play either C or W, just in case Dach’s development stalls, or he can’t stay healthy. One thing though... we've already seen Dach on wing, and he was good there on a Caufield - Suzuki - Dach line. Also most centres (With the exception of Eller and KK) can move to wing and still succeed. Its easier than moving a winger to centre. So if this is your thinking, I'd look to draft or acquire a centre (all things being equal). Dach could move to wing, or the new guy could move to wing..... that seems a relatively common and easy transition. Much easier than the other way. There is a reason Team Canada Best on Best teams take like 8 - 10 natural centres whenever there is Olympics or world cup. Moving a centre to wing is pretty easy. That said, I'm taking Demidov if available, cause he's a better winger than the centres available. But if you don't have him, then a Catton, Lidstrom, or dream in Helenius would be good. Iginla is also apparently moving to centre next season to at least try him there, but he's been a winger so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted June 23, 2024 Share Posted June 23, 2024 Seems like a smart move to lock Slafkovsky up long term at the Suzuki, Caufield rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 24, 2024 Share Posted June 24, 2024 Seems about right. Which NHL teams need upgrades at wing? Ranking all 32 teams by current quality - The Athletic (nytimes.com) 25. Montreal Canadiens Current quality: 21st percentile Looking for: Franchise talent, top-line winger, top-six winger The Canadiens are in need of franchise talent and have two candidates on the wing with potential. Cole Caufield looks ready to take a leap and Juraj Slafkovský showed superstar flashes in the second half last season. Both players have potential to make this current rank look silly, but we’re going to err on the side of caution for both. Regardless, the Canadiens still likely need one other top-line winger and top-six winger to complement them. Maybe a healthy Kirby Dach can be that solution internally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted June 24, 2024 Share Posted June 24, 2024 54 minutes ago, DON said: Seems about right. Which NHL teams need upgrades at wing? Ranking all 32 teams by current quality - The Athletic (nytimes.com) 25. Montreal Canadiens Current quality: 21st percentile Looking for: Franchise talent, top-line winger, top-six winger The Canadiens are in need of franchise talent and have two candidates on the wing with potential. Cole Caufield looks ready to take a leap and Juraj Slafkovský showed superstar flashes in the second half last season. Both players have potential to make this current rank look silly, but we’re going to err on the side of caution for both. Regardless, the Canadiens still likely need one other top-line winger and top-six winger to complement them. Maybe a healthy Kirby Dach can be that solution internally. I have read the article yet, but based on this post: I agree. I would be happy of the Habs get elite-level talent, franchise-level in my potato-head understanding is above that. I would take either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted June 24, 2024 Share Posted June 24, 2024 1 hour ago, DON said: The Canadiens are in need of franchise talent and have two candidates on the wing with potential. Cole Caufield looks ready to take a leap and Juraj Slafkovský showed superstar flashes in the second half last season. Both players have potential to make this current rank look silly, but we’re going to err on the side of caution for both. Regardless, the Canadiens still likely need one other top-line winger and top-six winger to complement them. Maybe a healthy Kirby Dach can be that solution internally. Apparently only one of Caufield and Slafkovsky is a top-line forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 24, 2024 Share Posted June 24, 2024 They also don't realize Dach is a Centre, which again shows bad research. Dom L is also the guy who had Suzuki as one of the ten worst contracts in the NHL previously. The more of his stuff I read, the more I realize he is either biased against the Habs or doesn't do his research on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted June 24, 2024 Share Posted June 24, 2024 1 hour ago, Commandant said: They also don't realize Dach is a Centre, which again shows bad research. Dom L is also the guy who had Suzuki as one of the ten worst contracts in the NHL previously. The more of his stuff I read, the more I realize he is either biased against the Habs or doesn't do his research on them. Dom is focused on his predictive model, which isn't too bad at the level of predicting team performance, but does not do nearly as well in evaluating individual players. And that's where the forward rankings, for example, come from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 24, 2024 Share Posted June 24, 2024 Advanced stats are great, I love them. Biut they can't be 100% of your work. There has to be eye test involved too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 24, 2024 Share Posted June 24, 2024 Seems reasonable take on Dach and centres. We all hope he is a top six centre, but who the hell knows as of today. https://www.habsworld.net/2024/06/assessing-the-depth-centres-9/ "The hope was that Dach would take a step forward in his second full season with the Habs and give them a legitimate long-term second centre. But after a good preseason, he was injured in the second game of the year and didn’t return. That makes him more of a wild card at this stage than someone management can safely pencil onto the second line regularly." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted June 25, 2024 Share Posted June 25, 2024 11 hours ago, DON said: "The hope was that Dach would take a step forward in his second full season with the Habs and give them a legitimate long-term second centre. But after a good preseason, he was injured in the second game of the year and didn’t return. That makes him more of a wild card at this stage than someone management can safely pencil onto the second line regularly." Wild card? Definitely has more risk. But drafting Leonard or another C would have significant risk as well as none of the potential picks have yet played a game in the NH:L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted June 27, 2024 Share Posted June 27, 2024 In the pre-draft interview Gorton confirmed they aren't qualifying Ylonen, but are qualifying Barron and Xhekaj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted June 27, 2024 Share Posted June 27, 2024 Too bad about Ylonen. He showed promise at times, but his development seemed to have stalled...it was clear before now that they'd pretty much lost faith in him. I'll be curious to see if he gets picked up, and by whom. (Vancouver needs cheap depth W - that wouldn't surprise me). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 28, 2024 Share Posted June 28, 2024 2 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Too bad about Ylonen. He showed promise at times, but his development seemed to have stalled...it was clear before now that they'd pretty much lost faith in him. I'll be curious to see if he gets picked up, and by whom. (Vancouver needs cheap depth W - that wouldn't surprise me). Yup, I thought he could be a really good 3rd liner, excellent skater, showed flashes but just couldn't find the consistency. Someone will pick him up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted June 28, 2024 Share Posted June 28, 2024 11 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Yup, I thought he could be a really good 3rd liner, excellent skater, showed flashes but just couldn't find the consistency. Someone will pick him up. TBH what you’re describing is about 50 different Habs prospects over the past 30 years - every one of which elicited similar support/faith in the fan base. And 99% of which were destined for obscurity. 🤷♂️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted June 30, 2024 Share Posted June 30, 2024 Great comment by Hutson here about a young team growing up together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted June 30, 2024 Share Posted June 30, 2024 Agent change for the Xhekaj brothers. I always take note of these when they happen right before (or during) contract talks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DON Posted July 1, 2024 Share Posted July 1, 2024 Does this lower the odds they get traded? Or just needed done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted July 1, 2024 Share Posted July 1, 2024 5 minutes ago, DON said: Does this lower the odds they get traded? Or just needed done. Just a technicality that need to be done. It doesn't affect their odds of staying or being traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted July 1, 2024 Share Posted July 1, 2024 Development camp roster. Good luck kids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted July 1, 2024 Share Posted July 1, 2024 They noted Suzuki was on the ice with some of the kids this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmethead Posted July 1, 2024 Share Posted July 1, 2024 39 minutes ago, DON said: They noted Suzuki was on the ice with some of the kids this morning. Very captainesque of him. Love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Boagalott Posted July 1, 2024 Share Posted July 1, 2024 Wicked: Slaf just signed: 8 years @ $7.6 mil = $60.80M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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