huzer Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 1 hour ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: If goalies are voodoo, how do we know which one of them has future Vezina potential? 🤔 Can't have it both ways. EDM pulled off some pretty slick moves to save the ship. I don't really get what either Vancouver or San Jose were thinking. In fact, I almost wonder if they regard the offer sheets as dirty pool and therefore went easy on that POS Bowman in order to make a statement about offer sheets. Goalies are voodoo unless they aren't. I place most 1st round goalie picks/prospects more in the "can't miss" category rather than "future Vezina". For every Price, there's a Pascal Leclaire lurking in the shadows. But for a team to utilize a 1st round pick on a goalie, odds are quite good he will at least become a serviceable NHLer. Sorry, Malcolm Subban. Here is where I'll agree with @Commandant as far as voodoo goes. Elite goaltending is hard to nail down. Whereas the last three Vezina winners were 4th, 5th, and 6th rounders, nearly every Hart for the past 20 years is an early 1st rounder (Kucherov and St Louis are the only exceptions I can think of). Similar for the Art Ross, only one or two exceptions there as well. Of course, I have my own theories as to why. But if you want #1, there is little to no instruction for goalies (at least in the US) until, junior age at the earliest. And the instruction they do receive is half-assed at best. For all of the youth programs that tout former NHL/NCAA D1 retired players as coaches, goalies are usually stuck with some dude that plays D level beer league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 19 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: Habs have a growing and underrated Montembault and a super promising Fowler. AGAIN, Primeau had better NCAA numbers and now he is not seen as a very promising starter (fingers-crossed he develops into a good one). So, Fowler is doing well but ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 Oilers WILL not match offer sheets. According to Freidman, they see Podkolzin and Emberson as the replacements in their lineup. I think the issue is not this season, its the 2 year deals... Next summer Draisaitl and Bouchard are due raises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 13 minutes ago, Commandant said: Oilers WILL not match offer sheets. According to Freidman, they see Podkolzin and Emberson as the replacements in their lineup. I think the issue is not this season, its the 2 year deals... Next summer Draisaitl and Bouchard are due raises. And that's a big part of the reason the Blues offered 2 year deals knowing the 2nd year would be tough. It hurts the Oilers to get such a minimal return for Broberg/Holloway but they left themselves in a vulnerable position and are paying the price. They can always get a rental defensemen at the deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 20 minutes ago, Commandant said: Oilers WILL not match offer sheets. According to Freidman, they see Podkolzin and Emberson as the replacements in their lineup. I think the issue is not this season, its the 2 year deals... Next summer Draisaitl and Bouchard are due raises. I'm surprised especially after their recent roster moves. I thought they might not match Holloway but Broberg is a tough pill to swallow. At the end of the day, the Oilers have more cap space than I expected them to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted August 20 Author Share Posted August 20 11 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: I'm surprised especially after their recent roster moves. Bowman working hard to give Draisaitl no reason to sign an extension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 20 minutes ago, GHT120 said: Bowman working hard to give Draisaitl no reason to sign an extension. Disagree, 1st of all he needs to have the money available. Matching Holloway and Broberg makes that tough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 22 minutes ago, GHT120 said: Bowman working hard to give Draisaitl no reason to sign an extension. He wouldnt have the cap.space to sign Drai if he matched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 34 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: I'm surprised especially after their recent roster moves. I thought they might not match Holloway but Broberg is a tough pill to swallow. At the end of the day, the Oilers have more cap space than I expected them to. I think the Oilers are looking at 2 years down the road and realize they will need some cap space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 2 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I think the Oilers are looking at 2 years down the road and realize they will need some cap space. The Oilers have made several good moves this offseason. It cost them two decent prospects and the buyout cost from Campbell but they have fixed a huge problem. Solid work by Edmonton this offseason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 2 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: The Oilers have made several good moves this offseason. It cost them two decent prospects and the buyout cost from Campbell but they have fixed a huge problem. Solid work by Edmonton this offseason Yes it hurt losing Broberg and Holloway BUT resigning Draisaitl, Bouchard and McDavid is their number #1 priority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 They have also created a small cap space cushion. They will let that accrue and make a play for defence at the deadline. I think there's a strong change that it will be Savard's destination somewhere between January and the trade deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 Trying to figure out this trade? Was this trade part of an agreement the Oilers had with the Blues in order not to match as it seems like a one sided trade?? https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/edmonton-oilers-acquire-paul-fischer-third-round-pick-from-st-louis-blues-future-considerations-1.2163926 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 21 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Trying to figure out this trade? Was this trade part of an agreement the Oilers had with the Blues in order not to match as it seems like a one sided trade?? https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/edmonton-oilers-acquire-paul-fischer-third-round-pick-from-st-louis-blues-future-considerations-1.2163926 You are probably correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Trying to figure out this trade? Was this trade part of an agreement the Oilers had with the Blues in order not to match as it seems like a one sided trade?? https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/edmonton-oilers-acquire-paul-fischer-third-round-pick-from-st-louis-blues-future-considerations-1.2163926 Yeah, this was an inducement from St. Louis for Edmonton not to match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 McGroaty to the Penguins apparently Trade Alert: Rutger McGroarty finally traded by the Jets, the first rounder is on the move (canucksdaily.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Brayden Yager going the other way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 1 minute ago, Commandant said: Brayden Yager going the other way. One #14 pick (2022) for another #14 pick (2023), seems fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 Askarov to the Sharks https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/san-jose-sharks-acquire-goaltender-yaroslav-askarov-from-nashville-predators-1.2165191 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 Great trade for SJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 Id have done something similar to that... it basically breaks down, in Habs equivalents to 1) one of the goalie prospects not named fowler, 2) the calgary pick (the pick sj gave up is the vegas pick and top 10 protected) and 3) owen beck (equivalent to david edstrom) for askarov and 3rd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 On 8/22/2024 at 12:16 PM, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: McGroaty to the Penguins apparently Trade Alert: Rutger McGroarty finally traded by the Jets, the first rounder is on the move (canucksdaily.com) That's sad... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 3 hours ago, TurdBurglar said: Great trade for SJ. If Askarov pans out in the NHL, yes. He looks good, but he's not without risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted August 24 Author Share Posted August 24 Just now, tomh009 said: If Askarov pans out in the NHL, yes. He looks good, but he's not without risk. Neither is what Nashville got for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmethead Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 Hate to put this out there but there are rumors flying on Twitter of a tragic event involving Johnny Gaudreau and his brother Matthew. Man I hope it isn’t true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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