tomh009 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 In my view … Drafting was OK (hits and misses as with most teams) Development was poor Trading generally good (yes, I do remember Drouin) Contract management weak No strategic outlook (get in the playoffs and anything can happen…) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 25 minutes ago, tomh009 said: In my view … Drafting was OK (hits and misses as with most teams) Development was poor Trading generally good (yes, I do remember Drouin) Contract management weak No strategic outlook (get in the playoffs and anything can happen…) 5 areas of team management and Bergevin failed at 4 out of the 5. That is not a good general manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 9 hours ago, Commandant said: In fairness most teams can have a spectacular top 9 if you Have 3 prospects in there who "reach expectations". Include 1 player by trade who hasnt been traded for yet.. and assume he stays healthy and reaches expectations to be back to a PPG player. Have 1 injury prone player stay healthy and reaches expectations. Oh and the other 4 keep progressing to their expectations. What im saying is its unlikely we will have all 9 and that all 9 will reach expectations. Sure but the Habs scenario is plausible. Not Hail Mary plausible but actually plausible. The only exceptional thing for this to come true for the Habs is the Laine trade. Everything else is likely or most likely to happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 31 minutes ago, tomh009 said: In my view … Drafting was OK (hits and misses as with most teams) Development was poor Trading generally good (yes, I do remember Drouin) Contract management weak No strategic outlook (get in the playoffs and anything can happen…) Excellent summary. He was very good at the trade table, as you say - if only he hadn’t bombed the big one (Drouin). 5 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: 5 areas of team management and Bergevin failed at 4 out of the 5. That is not a good general manager. Yup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 2 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said: Actually, I don't think I've ever tried to be subtle about my dislike of the previous regime. I know, just trying to have a little fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 1 hour ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: 5 areas of team management and Bergevin failed at 4 out of the 5. That is not a good general manager. I'd say drafting was not a fail, maybe a B if you want to do letter grades. But three poor grades out of five, to be sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 34 minutes ago, tomh009 said: I'd say drafting was not a fail, maybe a B if you want to do letter grades. But three poor grades out of five, to be sure. I'd say If you swing and miss when you pick #3 in a year you could have picked an elite winger, or a Norris dman, I'd say drafting is poor. Have two #3 overall picks and struck at both times - albeit the Galchenyuk year was a weak draft. they didn't start making good picks until the last few drafts prior to Covid - Caufield, Guhle, and if MB had remained, they probably would have let DD destroy Caufield's development like everyone before him. only player the Habs drafted and fully developed under MB was Lekhonan, and even he didn't reach his full potential until he got to Colorado. MB also picked the wrong guy to hand out an extension by picking a flaky shows up sometimes Armia over a guy with never quit tenacity's like Lekhonan. as far as trading goes, other than Vanak, Petry, and Daneult he was good at moving out grunt players for more than he paid for them. He made the following four other big moves (other than Vanak, Petry, and Danault): 1 - galchenyuk for Domi. Domi had one good year. Not sure if that was a big win. 2. Domi for Anderson. Given the performance of both players last year, I'd rather have Domi and his cap hit. 3. Subban for Weber - still hate the deal. Subban got another Norris nomination and went to the finals the year after the trade and his contract would have been up earlier than Weber's senior citizen retirement deal. 4. Drouin for Sergechev. Obvious horrible deal the second it was made and like the Anderson deal horrible extension for a guy with zero track record. but sure, MB extracted great returns for fringe players. HuGO have made more impactful moves in less time than MB did in a decade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 1 hour ago, tomh009 said: In my view … Drafting was OK (hits and misses as with most teams) Development was poor Trading generally good (yes, I do remember Drouin) Contract management weak No strategic outlook (get in the playoffs and anything can happen…) I think that's a pretty reasonable and fair summary. The Drouin trade was certainly a blotch on his record but the Pacioretty for Suzuki + trade was tremendous. He was able to trade Pacioretty at his peak value which doesn't happen often. This trade gave me hope that he would continue along the rebuild path which he ended up just tinkering with. Hughes is doing the right thing. The biggest development blunder was the KK debacle, keeping him up as an immature 18 year old created all kinds of problems later on which we are all aware of. Drafting was better in his later years (except for KK), some real duds in the early years. He fell in love with some players which led to some contracts which were too generous. Hughes is far more strategic and forward looking. We can't seem to get away from rehashing the MB years. Maybe it's a July ritual as we are bored. We need a trade!! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 16 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said: So much better acquiring guys like Alzner to play in Laval, or the injury prone and useless Dvorak, or paying $11m to Anderson and Gallagher to 3rd/4th liners, or trading for Drouin - signing him to a dumb contract when he had proven squat by giving up a stud dman for that privilege. Even better is constantly trading for wingers to convert them into centres - because you know, you can't trade for centres. I am not going back to discussing the old crapola. no going back no going back no going back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 47 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: I am not going back to discussing the old crapola. no going back no going back no going back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 9 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: 😂 LOL 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 Marco Normandin (who is he and does he know what he's talking about?) claims that Hughes had a deal in place at the draft to trade Mailloux and the Habs second first-rounder for Zegras and a second, but that once they realized that Hage would be available, they decided not to do the trade. https://www.habsolumentfan.com/canadiens/exclusif-le-canadien-avait-une-entente-en-place-pour-acquerir-trevor-zegras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 11 minutes ago, tomh009 said: Marco Normandin (who is he and does he know what he's talking about?) claims that Hughes had a deal in place at the draft to trade Mailloux and the Habs second first-rounder for Zegras and a second, but that once they realized that Hage would be available, they decided not to do the trade. https://www.habsolumentfan.com/canadiens/exclusif-le-canadien-avait-une-entente-en-place-pour-acquerir-trevor-zegras Interesting. Who knows if there is any truth to this but I have always thought of Anaheim and Montreal as potential trade partners. I also have no doubt that once Montreal drafted Demidov and Hage that Hughes has felt less of a sense of urgency to trade for a forward although he is probably still exploring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 35 minutes ago, tomh009 said: Marco Normandin (who is he and does he know what he's talking about?) claims that Hughes had a deal in place at the draft to trade Mailloux and the Habs second first-rounder for Zegras and a second, but that once they realized that Hage would be available, they decided not to do the trade. https://www.habsolumentfan.com/canadiens/exclusif-le-canadien-avait-une-entente-en-place-pour-acquerir-trevor-zegras I don’t believe this because Hage was a last minute plan B. Remember the Hughes team stuffing that jersey back under the table because the guy they wanted got picked just ahead of them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 49 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: I don’t believe this because Hage was a last minute plan B. Remember the Hughes team stuffing that jersey back under the table because the guy they wanted got picked just ahead of them? What i was gonna say, just a player similar (Eiserman) to Hage quality likely available at 21. So Mailloux & pick #21 for Zegras (+2nd), interesting. Hughes said, screw it we dont need a long term fix at wing. More a short term add like Laine till Demidov can help fill that role in several years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 I imagine NHL player movement will pick up a bit in the next three weeks. I know Columbus has said that if they don’t get good offers for Laine then he will start the year in Columbus but I don’t think they want him there in anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 1 hour ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: I imagine NHL player movement will pick up a bit in the next three weeks. I know Columbus has said that if they don’t get good offers for Laine then he will start the year in Columbus but I don’t think they want him there in anyway. I'm pretty sure that's just posturing to try to get the most in return. Laine's value isn't great right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 18 hours ago, TurdBurglar said: I'm pretty sure that's just posturing to try to get the most in return. Laine's value isn't great right now. Wouldn’t you be in a better position if he wanted to stay? Laine’s explicitly wanting out makes Waddell a motivated seller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 We have discussed this thoroughly already and there is merit to both arguments for and against Laine. Friedman posts real stuff so let’s Lee where this goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dlbalr Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 Apparently the Habs have circled back on Mattias Norlinder and have offered him a contract according to his agent. He's also weighing an offer from a Swedish team. https://www.aftonbladet.se/sportbladet/hockey/a/alGkz5/avslojar-modo-och-mattias-norlinder-overens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 On 8/30/2024 at 6:51 PM, dlbalr said: Apparently the Habs have circled back on Mattias Norlinder and have offered him a contract according to his agent. He's also weighing an offer from a Swedish team. https://www.aftonbladet.se/sportbladet/hockey/a/alGkz5/avslojar-modo-och-mattias-norlinder-overens Checking in on this, it sounds like Norlinder has declined Montreal's final offer. He's expected to officially sign in Sweden in the next day or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REV-G Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 You have to think that if you're him and you look at the # of young defenceman Montreal has, and they just traded Jordan Harris to make room, where will his future career and his life be better suited, Laval or closer to his home. I can't say I blame him. Maybe he thinks he'll have a better shot at the NHL with another year or two in Sweden's pro league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 17 minutes ago, REV-G said: You have to think that if you're him and you look at the # of young defenceman Montreal has, and they just traded Jordan Harris to make room, where will his future career and his life be better suited, Laval or closer to his home. I can't say I blame him. Maybe he thinks he'll have a better shot at the NHL with another year or two in Sweden's pro league. Thats all true. Id also say SHL salary is competitive with AHL money on a 2-way deal. Depending on the offer, the money may have been better there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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