tomh009 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Ultimately the trade cost is a sunk cost, water under the bridge, and it shouldn't drive any future decisions (same as would have applied for Drouin or Weber, too). Neither one is ridiculously expensive for a 3C in terms of cap hit so it's an option, I suppose. But, at this point in time, I think the Habs still believe that Dach is, at a minimum, a top-six forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-rumors-january-6-2025/ Canadiens Afforded More Time With Recent Winning Streak Dennis Bernstein of the Fourth Period was on TSN Radio in Montreal and argued that the Canadiens being as successful as they’ve recently been has bought the organization a little more time before needing to make trade decisions. When asked if the team will likely still move Mike Matheson or David Savard — because the Canadiens could move themselves into a playoff conversation — Bernstein responded, “…other GMs are gonna saying, well, maybe they don’t call Hughes because they’re only three points out of the spot, or he might be telling guys like, ah, I’m not there yet.” David Savard, Montreal Canadiens (Jess Starr/The Hockey Writers) He added that the Canadiens might still trade players they think they could lose for nothing over the summer and have strong trade value. That includes players like Jake Evans, Christian Dvorak, and Joel Armia. He notes, “But I would suspect, look, if there’s some regression from the Habs, yeah, they’ll wind up trading Savard. Mike Matheson, a possibility.” He said those two guys, because of their UFA status, are still at the top of the trade potential list and are names to watch. https://thehockeywriters.com/maple-leafs-should-target-canadiens-jake-evans-to-bolster-centre-depth/ What Would a Trade Look Like? The Maple Leafs would be smart to try and move money out, despite not having to. If they can somehow move on from Ryan Reaves’ $1.35 million contract, they could fit Evans in without needing the Canadiens to retain any salary, therefore having a chance to drop the asking price for a trade return. If that was something they could find a way to do, likely, they may only have to pay a 2025 second-round pick and a 2025 fifth-round pick to bring him in. On top of all that, Evans could be a cost-effective option if the Maple Leafs were interested in extending him, as he would likely not ask for a ridiculous salary if he’s given a solid role with the team. Two articles and an excerpt from each. I think if Evans is not asking for a ridiculous salary as they say above, why would we not just keep him .. pound sand, Toronto. We will trade him to you because he is asking for a ridiculous salary. The moment we trade a player for draft picks there will be a regression. An expected regression. Hughes will have to make these trades because we are not guaranteed a playoff spot heading into TDL and because we need the assets the expiring UFAs will provide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 1 hour ago, TurdBurglar said: If a trade for Pettersson happens and Suzuki isn't involved, not that I remotely think he should be, it also signals Montreal has given up on Dach as the second line center. Then the question becomes, what's the plans for Dach and Newhook? You'd have to assume Montreal doesn't want either to be 3rd line guys considering the price that was paid for them. I'm not sure that it signals Montreal has given up on Dach. I think it’s more to do with a 100 point centre suddenly becoming available. It’s a rare event that you can’t plan ahead for. Still, I’m not interested due to the cost to acquire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 I think Dach might be one of the pieces going to Vancouver in such a trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 13 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: I'm not sure that it signals Montreal has given up on Dach. I think it’s more to do with a 100 point centre suddenly becoming available. It’s a rare event that you can’t plan ahead for. Still, I’m not interested due to the cost to acquire. Pettersson was a 100 point centre once (102 pts), he seems to have regressed. I am not that crazy about acquiring him either given his salary and the cost to acquire him. Not sure he is the guy you can count on come playoff time. I really like JT Miller but he is 31, doesn't really fit the time line and probably won't come here anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 1 hour ago, Butterface said: The Maple Leafs would be smart to try and move money out, despite not having to. If they can somehow move on from Ryan Reaves’ $1.35 million contract, they could fit Evans in without needing the Canadiens to retain any salary, therefore having a chance to drop the asking price for a trade return. Reaves? Gag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 1 hour ago, tomh009 said: Reaves? Gag. Yeah… he’s got a year after this year at 1.35M … not something I’d want to take on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 1 hour ago, tomh009 said: Reaves? Gag. Double gag! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 15 hours ago, Butterface said: The Maple Leafs would be smart to try and move money out, despite not having to. If they can somehow move on from Ryan Reaves’ $1.35 million contract, they could fit Evans in without needing the Canadiens to retain any salary, therefore having a chance to drop the asking price for a trade return. 13 hours ago, tomh009 said: Reaves? Gag. 12 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Double gag! Reaves doesn't seem to have a NMC so if needed I expect TO just waives his 8:02 of icetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 1 hour ago, GHT120 said: Reaves doesn't seem to have a NMC so if needed I expect TO just waives his 8:02 of icetime. Unless they need to get rid of that extra roughly $350k that they can’t bury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 1 hour ago, TurdBurglar said: Unless they need to get rid of that extra roughly $350k that they can’t bury. They can bury $1.15 of the $1.35 AAV, so it is only $200K ... and are you seriously (😉😉😉) suggesting that Reaves wouldn't be claimed (😮😮😮)? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 21 hours ago, Commandant said: I think Dach might be one of the pieces going to Vancouver in such a trade. My guess is Dach + Mattheson would get it done. Whether we want to get it done is another question. 21 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Pettersson was a 100 point centre once (102 pts), he seems to have regressed. I am not that crazy about acquiring him either given his salary and the cost to acquire him. Not sure he is the guy you can count on come playoff time. Valid concerns. He's performed well below his ticket for a while now. One question is how much Miller's bullying (?) is affecting his play. But the fact is, you have to be resilient if you're going to flourish in a Canadian market. It's his cap hit, above all, that scares me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 It would either be a fabulous acquisition or a ball and chain that would kill the rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illWill Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 I'd be weary of even taking Pettersson for free with his 5th highest salary cap hit, let alone giving up integral pieces from our team to make the deal. If we are making a move of this magnitude, I'd rather it be for someone more consistent or inexpensive. Otherwise I'd prefer to just stay the course. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted Wednesday at 01:08 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:08 PM stay the course unless its "an offer you cant refuse" ala Laine and a pick for Harris, which clearly isnt going to be the case. We will be in CAP chaos after taking him on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted Wednesday at 11:48 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 11:48 PM On 1/7/2025 at 2:51 PM, illWill said: I'd be weary of even taking Pettersson for free with his 5th highest salary cap hit, let alone giving up integral pieces from our team to make the deal. If we are making a move of this magnitude, I'd rather it be for someone more consistent or inexpensive. Otherwise I'd prefer to just stay the course. Agreed, Petterson is being paid like a 100+ point center. He is not performing like one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted Thursday at 01:18 AM Share Posted Thursday at 01:18 AM 1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Agreed, Petterson is being paid like a 100+ point center. He is not performing like one. If he was, he wouldn't be available ... the reason HuGo et al get the big money is to analyse and project what a player would do with Montreal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted Thursday at 01:55 AM Share Posted Thursday at 01:55 AM 31 minutes ago, GHT120 said: If he was, he wouldn't be available ... the reason HuGo et al get the big money is to analyse and project what a player would do with Montreal. Perhaps he wouldn't, and maybe if he was on a 100 point pace then he and Miller would get along just fine. If he is struggling in Vancouver then maybe coming to a market like Montreal where he would be under the microscope even more is likely not a good idea. Hard to say what a change in scenery would do. But if you acquire him then he better get back to 100 pts a year otherwise it's a bad use of cap space. I don't think Hughes is willing to risk that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNick Posted Thursday at 03:54 AM Share Posted Thursday at 03:54 AM Pettersson hard trade to make because of the money and will have to give up a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNick Posted Thursday at 03:54 AM Share Posted Thursday at 03:54 AM On 1/6/2025 at 6:05 PM, Butterface said: https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-rumors-january-6-2025/ Canadiens Afforded More Time With Recent Winning Streak Dennis Bernstein of the Fourth Period was on TSN Radio in Montreal and argued that the Canadiens being as successful as they’ve recently been has bought the organization a little more time before needing to make trade decisions. When asked if the team will likely still move Mike Matheson or David Savard — because the Canadiens could move themselves into a playoff conversation — Bernstein responded, “…other GMs are gonna saying, well, maybe they don’t call Hughes because they’re only three points out of the spot, or he might be telling guys like, ah, I’m not there yet.” David Savard, Montreal Canadiens (Jess Starr/The Hockey Writers) He added that the Canadiens might still trade players they think they could lose for nothing over the summer and have strong trade value. That includes players like Jake Evans, Christian Dvorak, and Joel Armia. He notes, “But I would suspect, look, if there’s some regression from the Habs, yeah, they’ll wind up trading Savard. Mike Matheson, a possibility.” He said those two guys, because of their UFA status, are still at the top of the trade potential list and are names to watch. https://thehockeywriters.com/maple-leafs-should-target-canadiens-jake-evans-to-bolster-centre-depth/ What Would a Trade Look Like? The Maple Leafs would be smart to try and move money out, despite not having to. If they can somehow move on from Ryan Reaves’ $1.35 million contract, they could fit Evans in without needing the Canadiens to retain any salary, therefore having a chance to drop the asking price for a trade return. If that was something they could find a way to do, likely, they may only have to pay a 2025 second-round pick and a 2025 fifth-round pick to bring him in. On top of all that, Evans could be a cost-effective option if the Maple Leafs were interested in extending him, as he would likely not ask for a ridiculous salary if he’s given a solid role with the team. Two articles and an excerpt from each. I think if Evans is not asking for a ridiculous salary as they say above, why would we not just keep him .. pound sand, Toronto. We will trade him to you because he is asking for a ridiculous salary. The moment we trade a player for draft picks there will be a regression. An expected regression. Hughes will have to make these trades because we are not guaranteed a playoff spot heading into TDL and because we need the assets the expiring UFAs will provide. Sign Evans, trade Dvorak instead. Call up Beck to center third line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted Thursday at 01:51 PM Share Posted Thursday at 01:51 PM 9 hours ago, GNick said: Sign Evans, trade Dvorak instead. Call up Beck to center third line. Trading Dvorak is not even a question ... other than will anyone take him ... if not, he walks away July 1st ... how long it takes to get to a new team is another question. Extending/trading/"renting" Evans is totally unrelated to what happens to Dvorak ... unless Hughes has a "mental episode" and decides to re-sign Christian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted Thursday at 03:17 PM Share Posted Thursday at 03:17 PM 1 hour ago, GHT120 said: Trading Dvorak is not even a question ... other than will anyone take him ... if not, he walks away July 1st ... how long it takes to get to a new team is another question. Extending/trading/"renting" Evans is totally unrelated to what happens to Dvorak ... unless Hughes has a "mental episode" and decides to re-sign Christian. Not that I'm advocating for re-signing Dvorak, but anything can happen for the right price. Dvorak at $2m or under isn't a bad idea. Whether Dvorak would sign for that or even sign in Montreal at all at this point or if Montreal would have any interest in keeping him at a low price tag, is a whole other matter. Ultimately what will happen is he will be in Montreal until his contract expires, unless he's part of another deal for cap purposes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted Thursday at 03:28 PM Share Posted Thursday at 03:28 PM 10 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said: Not that I'm advocating for re-signing Dvorak, but anything can happen for the right price. Dvorak at $2m or under isn't a bad idea. Disagree ... Dvorak at league minimum is a bad idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted Thursday at 04:28 PM Share Posted Thursday at 04:28 PM 1 hour ago, TurdBurglar said: Not that I'm advocating for re-signing Dvorak, but anything can happen for the right price. Dvorak at $2m or under isn't a bad idea. Whether Dvorak would sign for that or even sign in Montreal at all at this point or if Montreal would have any interest in keeping him at a low price tag, is a whole other matter. Ultimately what will happen is he will be in Montreal until his contract expires, unless he's part of another deal for cap purposes. If the Habs cannot resign Evans, Dvorak at $2M to play in the 4th line would be really good. Then Newhook becomes an option to center the 3rd line until Beck is ready. It also gives Kapanen the time to develop into a solid 4C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted Thursday at 04:42 PM Share Posted Thursday at 04:42 PM Pierre Lebrun saying on air that the Devils have Jake Evans on a 10-12 players list as targets for trade deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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